I was playing 2/5 live at the Taj the other week and got dealt pocket aces. I raised it up to about 30 and got two callers. I bet out on a week board and got one caller. I bet out 150 on the turn and the other guy makes it 400. It honestly seemed like I had him. I thought he picked up a drawing hand and was making a move. I decided to flip my cards over and try to get a read on him. Imeadiatly after flipping my cards over..... get this... this guy calls the clock on me.

Floor comes over and begins a countdown. This guy says something like " You can't call me."


I hesitated and and on the 10 countdown I shoved all in. He snap called and flipped over a straight. 8 6 offsuit this jerk off played.


The crazy thing about the hand is that when the floor came over he said "He exposed his cards" Like he wanted me to fold. Was he out of line for calling the clock so fast? IT was a huge pot.

Lol at flipping your cards over and then shoving... never do that. To answer your question though, if it's not a timed rake cash game then he really should have no reason to call the clock.

I think if you're going to flip your cards over like that, you are kind of asking for something like that to happen.

He just played your game better.

Both of you were unorthodox about trying to get all the money in good and his 'play' worked. I don't see how either of you are out of line as both sets of actions are permissible within the rules of the game. You are allowed to show your cards, he is allowed to call clock, and he is allowed to call the floor to ask them a question. Neither of you were out of line.

Out of line would be him ripping up your cards or throwing a chair at you. Incidentally, those would both be sweet maneuvers to induce action, as long as he's still around after the dust settles to collect the pot.

There are so many threads about subjective morality in poker and the finer points of rule sets meant to keep poker players enjoying a fairly consistently presented game. We keep hearing about the smelly people at WSOP or the jingly vest wearing people and that 'rules' and guidelines are amended to keep everyone comfortable. My point is that much of what seems unsavory often finds it's way into the rule book, even though it's previously not considered. This hand seems fairly commonplace for a live 2/5 game where people are playing to have fun. Unfortunately, some people have fun some of the time by acting in a way others may consider to be annoying.

Check-raising used to be banned from some casinos on account of it's moral unsavoriness and deceptive nature. So fingers crossed, maybe 20 years from now you'll be able to work in that sweet chair throwing move.

Hilarious, you turn your cards over to gain an advantage and he counters you via "clock" and then YOU get mad...

LOL
he outplayed you in every way. Take it like a man.

Actually, I'm adding this to my arsenal. This is A great counter to the ol' "show my cards to get a read".

PRICELESS,

I can't wait to do that!

okay, basically you look like a huge douche bag when you flip your hand over to "try and get a read" it's poor form and you're not as good at it as you think you are. As soon as a player does this, I usually call the clock on them, too. (if I'm not in the hand) the reason why is that the player doing this usually thinks they're god's gift to poker and that every hand is played at the WSOP final table, and we don't want to wait 5 minutes for them to make a call in a spot that's an obvious fold.

I am very confused why you shove all in here. I am taking it you had more chips based on the action. There are times when I swear showing my cards might have got a fold but I hate showing my hand to be honest. The reaction you may get might not be the one you really want. Plus you look like an idiot when your wrong.

I think it is horrible to expose your hand when these situations occur:

1: You have more chips than what is bet.

and

2: There are still more cards to come thus calling would not end the hand.

How can we possibly know this ..... you never told us how much time you took......

Agreed. The best part is that the OP got too flustered to get the read he wanted because all he could think about is having the clock called on him.

FWIW, there's no set limit to when you can call a clock in most room's rule book. If I was a floor, the natural assumption would be that the OP was likely to take too much time if he felt he needed to show his cards.

And sorry OP, I'm guessing these weren't the responses you were expecting.

OP says villain immediately called for clock.

Calling the clock is within the rules, but it's seen by most to be poor etiquette. Calling the clock is almost always done by people with monsters.

And LOL at you showing your hand on the turn when villain raises less than all-in, and then shoving. Way to guarantee you get snapped by anything better and get folds by anything worse.

OP got pwned... 86s is a great ace busting hand.

had you not flipped your cards OP, you probably would not have gotten the clock called on you.

does OP think going all in was a viable option in this spot?

rebuy

You really have lots to learn about lots of things.....
At least you're trying to think things through. But you might do better to keep your mind open to multiple possibilities, rather than leaping to a single conclusion (especially the one you're hoping for).
Also, flipping your cards "to get a read" (even if the room permits it, which some now don't) is much more likely to hurt you than help you, IMO, unless you really know what you're doing (which you obviously don't). You'd be far better off to forget about it as a tactic altogether, and to concentrate on developing good hand-reading and analysis skills.
But most important, I suggest that you develop some humility, and recognize that you're a long way from knowing most of what you need to know. Instead of calling the other guy a jerkoff for playing 68o (and stacking you), imagine how your post would have read if it had been written from the other guy's point of view.....

Actually he said the villian called for the clock immediately after he exposed his cards. He didn;t tell us how much time passed before he exposed his cards. This is important because if OP spent 5 minutes before exposing his cards you can almost guarantee another 5 minutes of "Soul Reading" is coming.

Requesting a clock after a reasonable period of time has passed
is within the rules.

No. Its seen by some as poor etiquette. But rational human beings understand that context matters.

Actually in my experience the clock is most often called by a player who is no longer in the hand and most of the time the request is reasonable.

So often players have made their decision about what they are going to do (usually fold) when they decide to flip up their cards for the table to see in a hollywood fashion. I'm completely for calling the clock when players do this and then start having a conversation with their opponent saying things like "Will you fold if I show?", "You look nervous, why are you nervous?"

They are asking these questions as if they are anywhere near the skill level to actually pick up a read.

You sir deserved the clock called, and you sir made a terrible play shoving in that spot.

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