Dumb question but say I was at some casino, lets use Mohegan sun since thats where i go mostly.

ok im on the button and theres a couple limpers. I make a "bad" play of limping.

blinds check in.

after all this happens is it legal for me to flip up one or both of my cards preflop just to see what happens as far as action on the table.

I mean we all know theres rules but ive seen some wild things happen at the table that youd think it wasnt ok.

Its never okay multiway.

It is not legal, but you've demonstrated that you already know that. So what are you asking? Do you know why the rule exists?

Bad things that can happen.

1. Your hand can be killed. It shouldn't be, it's wrong to kill it but some rooms/floors will kill a hand exposed with action pending. You take the chance that this could happen.

2. Some one will demand your hand be killed. The floor will be called over and you have now placed yourself in his hands, if he is a good floor, you just get a warning or your hand gets killed because the room has that rule in place. If the floor is not a good floorperson, then he may kill your hand anyway.

3. You will cause the floor to be called, this is almost a certainty and you have just delayed the hand becasue you KNEW it was wrong but you flipped your hand up anyway.

4. you might cause one or both players to fold becasue you have them beat. Meaning you missed any opportunity to build the pot.

5. You might cause one or both of the other two players to shove which means you probably have to fold.

6. You have demonstrated to the rest of the table and the floor person who has to answer the floor call that you don't respect them or the rules of poker.

There's more but is that enough of a reason to not be a douche bag here?

You should change your avatar picture to this one: http://www.pokerpages.com/players/im...x250/61389.jpg

Why would you waste your good position by showing the whole table your hand and risking having it declared dead?

Why does nobody around here know how to use a telephone?

Rules vary by room. I just called Mohegan Sun and asked. The guy who answered said it was against the rules. I asked what would happen. He said the player would be given a warning. I asked if it was both cash and tournament. He said yes.

I didn't ask any more questions, because it's an incredibly dumb idea to do this anyway
There ARE rooms where turning up your hand is completely acceptable. It's best to verify this with the floor on duty BEFORE you do it, tho'.

If you want to know more about how Mohegan Sun runs their poker games, CALL THEM AND ASK DIRECTLY.

I'm hesitant to disagree with you because I tend to agree with your posts. But what room allows you to turn your hand over in a multiway pot?

You're right, I meant that as heads-up. But even multi-way, the penalty is usually "don't do that again or I'll waggle my finger at you."

It's like farting at the table. It's not a good idea, but we can't stop you. Tho we might kick you out for the night.

Our rule is if you expose your hand during a cash game, you get one warning then you leave for the night.

In a tournament, you get penalized with orbits away from the table.

I sorta wish casinos would allow you to turn your hand up though. If people are going to be dumb enough to turn their hand over at some relevant point in the hand I certainly wouldn't mind that.

For you more rules oriented people, why do we care about this in cash games? Or is this just one of those "well those are the rules" situations?

It's the kind of problem that's rarely a problem until it's a problem, at which point it's a huge problem. That one time someone exposes that key card that causes someone else to call where he may have otherwise folded... well, how would you feel?

It's also avoiding the appearance of impropriety. Even if it doesn't affect the hand, if someone feels like it did, that's reason to get upset, and we don't like giving people reasons to get upset.

Just keep your cards to yourself 'til showdown. If this is too difficult for you, video poker is right over there.

My question is why doesn't anyone know how to use the internet.

http://www.mohegansun.com/img/active...r-rulebook.pdf

MS published their rule book. Nowhere in the rules (that I found, I could have missed it) does it say exposing your cards deliberately is against the rules. If you call the poker room, you'll get the person who is collects the names for the wait lists. They don't work as floors (I've never seen one working as a floor). They don't need to know the rules and I'd be shocked if they did in any detail.

If the hand is multiway then the problem is that players are getting information they are not supposed to have ..... and that may harm players other than the guy showing his hand.

And easy example is three players in a hand. One player has the AdKd, Player 2 has 8d 9d and the third player has Qs Qc. Player 2 decided to flip his cards up preflop "to see what happened". The board reads 10d Jd Qd Qh 2s (No bad beat jackpot in the room). the guy with Ad Kd doesn't get all of player 3's chips simply because player 3 sees he is beat by player 2.

While that example is extreme ..... it illustrates the problem in multi-way pots.


There is no reason to prohibit it Heads up in a cash game.

wow a lot of feedback here. I never even thought about calling a casino and asking them about the games, mainly because of security/privacy issues, just like how you cant take pictures.

I was just thinking about it because sometimes the table action just goes DEAD and the pot just gets chopped everytime so i thought it would create some action. i mean if you only flip one card your hand is still slightly concealed.

on a side note i think its funny to see older regs openly colluding but then when you make some mistake theyre on you like hawks.