Alright so I am in a hand on the button and UTG looks at his cards and is about to leave so he is standing up and folds them from a high angle and I see the bottom card, a 9.

So....




of course I declare to the table I saw the 9 of spades. so everyone knows, the dealer didn't flip over the card and this is the first time I have been in this room so I didn't ask.

anyway a few limps later I look down to see

97

So now what should I do...

Think folding is the easiest option here.

well, I think we've learned an important lesson about telling people that you saw a card that you only partially saw.

I mean I thought I saw a 9 of spades and I was going to play like I saw a 9 of spades.

Would you say don't ever tell people if you see a card?

I was thinking about that, I didn't I also won a decent size pot from this hand.

Keep your mouth closed table captain. There's a dealer there for a reason and you're not him.

Well the dealer cannot know if you have or have not seen a card now would they? I notice most times that players will say I seen that card and the dealer may ask what card it was. The dealer checks the card and if it is indeed the card, they flip it over. I have had five nine's in the deck before. It wouldn't be impossible but I have only seen it once in the many years I have played live poker.

I mean afterwards the guy ext to me says he thought it was the 8 of clubs, needless to say should I just keep my mouth shut? I mean I felt like I was playing with an advantage if I didn't speak up /shrug

I don't mind saying if I saw a card. Dealer can't see everything. U obv weren't trying to deceive. Dealers fault for not finding the card and exposing it (standard operation there). Nothing wrong with playing your hand there.

Why is no one considering that the card he saw may in fact have been the 9:spades: and the deck was fouled?

Because 999,999,999 times out of 1,000,000,000 in thsi situation the player is wrong about what card he saw.


It is better if you can point to the card and say "Dealer I saw that card" and let the dealer handle it. It is far better for the card to be turned up so that all can see it. Even if the player saw it accurately his telling people that he saw the 9 of spades is not the same thing as them seeing it for themselves. they don't know if he is accurate or not.

Agreed. It was just the first thing that went through my head because it sounded like OP was pretty sure he saw the 9.

What you describe is obviously the better practice and then we don't have to worry about what we thought we saw. The dealer should be flipping a card that may have flashed anyways.

So to summarize:

1. You saw a card without being absolutely sure what it was.
2. You announce to the table the card you think you saw.
3. You see you were wrong and decide to play it.
4. You don't tell anyone you were wrong before.
5. You win a decent sized pot.

That's pretty much angleshooting. I'd start worrying more about that reputation than whether you should keep quiet about seeing a card or not.

This is one of the reasons the dealer needs to flip the card. There isn't a good way for OP to say he was wrong without saying what he has. Agreed he should probably just fold though once he sees the 9s in his hand.

Ignore this. Of course you say you saw the card, the dealer should expose it though.

Not much you can do in this spot either IMO, what can you say ?
"Wait, I must have misread that card, I'm currently holding the 9 of spades... and I raise"

This is metagame people, learn.

Wtf does that even mean?

Worst post ITT.

Tell the dealer you think you saw a card. Tell him/her "I'm pretty sure it was the 9 of spades". The dealer should check it, and reveal it to the table if you're right or even remotely close (9c, Ts, etc).

IMO the dealer is at fault if he heard you say it and didn't check the card.

I say "that card flashed" if I saw a card. I may not be able to name it exactly, but even if I just saw that it's red or black, or paint or not, could be an edge in the hand.

Then the dealer turns it up, and it's no problem. And you avoid the situation in the OP.

This.

I mean, you did the right thing saying when you think you saw. I've done the same thing and been wrong about the suit (ace of diamonds or ace of hearts?).

As for what do you do when you discover you were wrong, IDK, that's obviously a really weird spot. If you just say "I was wrong about what I saw" anyone with half a brain is going to figure out that the only way you could know that is if you have that card in your hand.

I'd probably just fold.

Well, an interesting situation. Of course, you can't go to showdown, because no one will ever believe you didn't look at your cards first, that's just too unbelievable.

But since you're asking about etiquette, you really can't play your hand. If it gets to you and you say "uh oh", I was wrong, then they know what you have. If you play, you've given everyone a disadvantage. The dealer, I think, should flip the card over and end that debate.

I might get flamed for this, but it might be best just to not have said anything at all. It might seem unfair to the other players, but you did nothing unethical to begin with, and most of your ethical options have the potential to put yourself at a disadvantage.

*on second thought, I like sandman's advice.

Yes, this.

And what happens if it's actually the 7?

kind of a 1 in a million situation but still cool to learn some valuable lessons as to table ettiquette live. Seems like an easy fold to preserve your integrity. Playing the hand and going to showdown would be really a d bag move. But yeah as stated the dealer is at fault. Usually where I play they show the card face up. It is suprising the dealer didnt bother to check the card. So I dont think you did anything super wrong except playing the hand. What if it turned into a massive hand and you stacked someone and went to showdown....? so emb. anyway lesson learned for me thx

Then either

1) the dealer says it's not the 9s and mucks it. Or....

2) the dealer exposes it anyway. Not a big deal.