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Old 07-15-2012, 03:01 AM   #1
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Dealing procedures in an Allin

Flop comes 774

There's a bet and a call.

Turn 5

Player moves all in and called. The caller shows 77 other player laughs n mucks.

Dealer sees the hand shown and drops stub and pushes the pot wo burning and turning the river.

I know in tournaments you need to go thru the formalities of dealing out the entire board. Does the same apply for cash? Or is when he mucks the hand is over.
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Old 07-15-2012, 03:25 AM   #2
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Re: Dealing procedures in an Allin

As always "House rules apply".

But in my experience once a player mucks the hand is over, no need to deal any more cards, same as if there was a bet and a fold.
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Old 07-15-2012, 03:26 AM   #3
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Yes it should be dealt. What if another 7 comes on the river?

Edit: I'm rethinking because the hand should be mucked as soon as its released. In my experience, the turn and river would be dealt and then the mucked hand is killed. This should happen fast enough so as the player cannot retrieve his hand.
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Yes it should be dealt. What if another 7 comes on the river?
Why? The hand is over.

Would you flip the deck over an verify all 52 cards after every hand? Of course not. So there's no reason to see the river.
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Old 07-15-2012, 09:01 AM   #5
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Yes it should be dealt. What if another 7 comes on the river?

Edit: I'm rethinking because the hand should be mucked as soon as its released. In my experience, the turn and river would be dealt and then the mucked hand is killed. This should happen fast enough so as the player cannot retrieve his hand.
Bo, none of this makes sense. It's strange to want to verify the integrity of the deck during all-in hands unless you insist on checking it every other hand as well.

This is a waste of time.
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Old 07-15-2012, 11:05 AM   #6
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Re: Dealing procedures in an Allin

How many players have cards? One? Push him the pot. Next hand.
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Old 07-15-2012, 12:42 PM   #7
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I know in tournaments you need to go thru the formalities of dealing out the entire board. Does the same apply for cash? Or is when he mucks the hand is over.
I don't really know if that formality is true for tournaments or cash games, but in this case it's as you said - a mucked hand ends the hand right there. No more dealing since there's only one live hand left.
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Old 07-15-2012, 01:58 PM   #8
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Bo, none of this makes sense. It's strange to want to verify the integrity of the deck during all-in hands unless you insist on checking it every other hand as well.

This is a waste of time.

We don't do it in a tournament to verify the integrity of the deck. We do it in a tournament because the player isn't allowed to muck his cards when there is an all-in and no further action.

Sure in this case it wouldn't matter because one player had the nuts .... but having the dealer make that decision is bound to create a problem one day when he stops dealing because he thinks one player has the unbeatable nuts and he is wrong.

As a dealer i generally don;t even pay attention to what the cards are until the river is out.
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Old 07-15-2012, 06:27 PM   #9
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Re: Dealing procedures in an Allin

I don't see a problem in simply ending the hand. I don't see a problem in putting out the river. Do whatever works. Honestly with only 1 hand left in play it doesn't matter what the dealer does.
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Old 07-15-2012, 08:33 PM   #10
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Re: Dealing procedures in an Allin

It really depends on house procedures. The full proof way to avoid mistakes is to deal it out. It is possible to misread the board or to forget that on a previous street someone else was all in and the pot in the middle is only the main pot. A good dealer takes about 3 seconds to deal it out, vs. the 10 minutes it will take to straighten out a mistake with the stakes that big.
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Old 07-15-2012, 09:27 PM   #11
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Re: Dealing procedures in an Allin

Had a dealer a while back refuse to muck a hand in such a situation. Player shoves, I snap call, and the other guy snap folds. Dealer just leaves his cards there face down and says "ok--I will deal it out now". "He folded." "I know--and now I'll finish the hand." "No, take his cards and muck 'em and gimme the pot." "I can't--I have to deal it out." "This isn't a tournament, just kill his hand and push me the pot--it's over; I have the only live hand so we're done." "I have to finish dealing the board." Other player at this point reaches out and takes his cards back and tables them. Sigh. No, he's not drawing dead. He didn't get there, though. This dealer later grabbed me and apologized, saying she checked with the floor and was told she blew it.

In a cash game, it's over when you're down to one guy holding cards. You do not deal it out--that's the equivalent of rabbit hunting. No good can come of it.
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Old 07-16-2012, 08:26 AM   #12
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Sure in this case it wouldn't matter because one player had the nuts .....
Not necessarily, based on OP.

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Old 07-16-2012, 12:32 PM   #13
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Re: Dealing procedures in an Allin

Only one player has cards at this point, and is the only one with claim to the pot. Finishing the board is rabbit hunting and a waste of time.
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Old 07-16-2012, 02:40 PM   #14
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Not necessarily, based on OP.
I took it for granted that if a the Straight Flush was possible ... it would have been mentioned as being relevent.

SO if that assumption is true then the player with 77 has the lock.

but perhaps that assumption isn't a fair one. I tend to expect people to mention things that seem important.....
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Old 07-17-2012, 10:23 AM   #15
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Re: Dealing procedures in an Allin

Did the player physically toss his cards forward and then the dealer actually grabbed them and scramble them into the muck pile? If so, then the hand is over and actually running the turn and river might be considered rabbit hunting which is against mostly every house policy.
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