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Dealer w/ a criminal record? Dealer w/ a criminal record?

12-15-2014 , 03:09 PM
I deal part time for a company that does parties and charity events
i have about a year of experience but am skeptical about applying for my gaming license to get a job in a casino because im scared ill get rejected for being too young and too high risk. I understand the level of responsibility that comes with being a casino dealer because of the large amounts of money and the possible temptations.

My record doesnt include any violent or theft charges but has some spottyness regarding drugs and alchohol. im 22 now and havent been in trouble for the last two years but was pretty deep in it from 2010-2012
im not shy and willing to disclose more if need be

Basically my question is do any of you Brick and Mortarers personally no any dealers with criminal records? and if so where did they work and what do you no about the process they went through on getting a gaming license.

Ive always loved games and have been trying desperately to find a career choice that will accommodate not only my interests but also my spotty background.
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12-15-2014 , 04:22 PM
This will probably vary from state to state. If your record has a felony on it you're probably out of luck. A misdemeanor might not hurt you. I'd call the state gaming commission where you are and see what they say.

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12-15-2014 , 04:27 PM
It depends what you mean by "spottyness". A couple minor offenses a couple years old are usually no big deal. More serious offenses or a lot of minor ones may cause you a problem.
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12-15-2014 , 04:55 PM
As a general life response, talk to Legal Aid or the equivalent and ask about the rules for getting any minor convictions expunged/sealed.
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12-15-2014 , 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by bolt2112
This will probably vary from state to state. If your record has a felony on it you're probably out of luck. A misdemeanor might not hurt you. I'd call the state gaming commission where you are and see what they say.

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If it were a misdemeanor, he wouldn't be posting
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12-15-2014 , 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by AngusThermopyle
As a general life response, talk to Legal Aid or the equivalent and ask about the rules for getting any minor convictions expunged/sealed.
Yeah, he said a couple years ago, which makes it 20 and younger. "Minor" convictions may have a double meaning in this case.
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12-15-2014 , 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by EyeSmoke1

My record doesnt include any violent or theft charges but has some spottyness regarding drugs and alchohol.
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the matters are supposed to be "disclosed" to them.

If it was possession and you have since quit and went to rehab or whatnot they should be more willing to let it slide than if it was much more serious.
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Originally Posted by EyeSmoke1

im 22 now and havent been in trouble for the last two years but was pretty deep in it from 2010-2012
im not shy and willing to disclose more if need be
I don't see any reason why not unless you don't wana get into it
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12-15-2014 , 05:37 PM
casinos are strict. you need to have a clean record.
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12-15-2014 , 06:02 PM
I know dealers with DUI charges. I think it varies state by state and how thorough of a background check they do.
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12-15-2014 , 06:18 PM
Have you ever looked at a crew of dealers? Did you think that none of them ever had issues with drugs or alcohol?

Just don't lie on your application, and I'd think you'd have no problem. And even if I'm 100% wrong about that--what have you got to lose?
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12-15-2014 , 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by youtalkfunny
Have you ever looked at a crew of dealers? Did you think that none of them ever had issues with drugs or alcohol?

Just don't lie on your application, and I'd think you'd have no problem. And even if I'm 100% wrong about that--what have you got to lose?
Having issues with drugs and alcohol does not mean one has a criminal record.

To the OP, it's going to matter a lot if it's a felony or misdemeanor. There are plenty of lower-level alcohol/drug related felonies that may be expunged if X amount of time has passed, depending on state. Speak to a lawyer.
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12-15-2014 , 11:51 PM
Mos places are fine as long as there is full disclosure. Only exception is for theft. Most places have a zero tolerence
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12-16-2014 , 08:50 PM
It varies quite a bit from state to state and property to property. I know dealers with records who have full time dealer jobs but on the other side I know dealers with 10+ year old DUI convictions who can't get licenses in some places. I know a couple who were denied licenses in Florida because they had bad credit.

If you think you're ready to pass an audition and can pass a drug test (not all casinos require them but many do) then go for it. Don't lie on the application. If you don't get in one place keep trying others. If you are a regular player start networking at casinos.

What state(s) are you looking at?
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12-17-2014 , 05:24 PM
thanks for the replies guys, ive talked to an attorney about expungement/sealing my record an he thinks that i can have everything sealed withiin a few years of applying but said that it doesnt guarantee what comes up on my background ccheck because casinos and other big money industries have many resources for looking into people, like private investigators and records not directly related to the courts.

Im in New Mexico now and just about everyone in this state has a DWI and after some homework ive met a few dealers that work in the pit at some indian casinos around here with DWI convictions

Unfortunately thats one of the more "lax" charges tht will be of concern to whom ever is looking.


They way it works out here in BreakingBad NM is you apply for a gaming license then go take auditions and get interviews. The Form for a Gaming License clearly states no Felons and that i must disclose all arrests, charges, and information regarding sealed records.

things get tricky when terms like deferred sentence come into play because i was charged as a felon but was able to plead down to a misdemeanor after a few years of not getting into trouble as terms for my conditions of release.

... should i drop the F word where it asks on the form have u been charged with a F?
seems like i should cuz if they find out i didnt disclose it im prob never getting a license but the form clearly states i wont get one anyway if i DO tell them i was concivted.

tuff spot
shoulda folded pre??
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12-17-2014 , 05:33 PM
Being charged with a felony and being a felon are two entirely different things.

( Aren't they?)
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12-17-2014 , 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by EyeSmoke1


... should i drop the F word where it asks on the form have u been charged with a F?
seems like i should cuz if they find out i didnt disclose it im prob never getting a license but the form clearly states i wont get one anyway if i DO tell them i was concivted.

tuff spot
shoulda folded pre??
technically you were charged with a misdemeanor since you plead to a lesser charge. I think you should ask your attorney exactly how to word it on the application but I would still fill it out, all they can do is say no. and don't mention your 2p2 handle name either.
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12-17-2014 , 05:39 PM
If you are asked if you have been charged with a felony the answer is yes. Then write down that you were not convicted of a felony. If you are asked if you have been convicted of a felony the answer is no.
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12-17-2014 , 07:14 PM
I suggest Googling the application for NM. They are clear that you need to disclose everything, including all arrests, charges and convictions. They state that, "I thought it was off my record" is not an excuse to avoid disclosing it. They want official court records of how each case was resolved, even if the charges were dismissed.

Most places are not struggling to find dealers. While you may not be officially disqualified, any employer is going to compare your record to everyone else who applied. I think your best alternative is to get to know the dealers and floors of wherever you want to work. Be a model player that supports the dealers against drunks abusing them. At the same time, befriend some of your fellow dealers at the charity events. There's a good chance one of them at least is moonlighting and has regular employment. Once you've developed good relationships, let them know what you want to do and with the dealers, tell them your story. They'll give you honest feedback.
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12-17-2014 , 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by grinder7
casinos are strict. you need to have a clean record.
OP If you're willing to relocate to Nevada then you will get hired as long as it wasn't theft or murder I know a few dealers one of which has assault charges from 15 years ago and he got hired. But not totally sure on your deal because yours is still fresh a simple call to the gaming commission of Nevada will answer if you can get a license or not most casinos will hire you if you get the license and are 100 percent honest. Downtown Vegas is notorious for hiring felons. Hope this helps you.
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12-18-2014 , 01:54 AM
Nobody is going to hire a private investigator to dig up dirt on every applicant. If it's on your record, put it down.

Unfortunately if you apply now they will have your application on file with the current list of convictions. If you get things sealed and come back 5 years later they will still have that in their own files. I don't know about NM but many states have a line in the application asking if you have ever been denied a gaming license anywhere in the past. You'll have to answer yes and say why.

I'd say move on with your life and wait for everything to get sealed.

I do know one person who was charged but hadn't gone to trial yet and was denied a license because of that so yeah, life sucks if you're in the system.
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12-18-2014 , 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by youtalkfunny
Being charged with a felony and being a felon are two entirely different things.

( Aren't they?)
Unless you're in the NFL.
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12-19-2014 , 03:16 AM
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OP If you're willing to relocate to Nevada then you will get hired as long as it wasn't theft or murder I know a few dealers one of which has assault charges from 15 years ago and he got hired.
Most assault charges are misdemeanors.
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12-20-2014 , 07:35 AM
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Most assault charges are misdemeanors.
LOL it was 1st degree assualt it wasn't DV he really beat the Chit out of a guy did 2 years back in the 90's according to him.
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12-21-2014 , 01:45 PM
Dealer at local casino (council bluffs ia) asked where I was from and then he said I did time with someone from there.

That is my limited knowledge on the topic, this gentlemen was obviously able to get a gaming license despite being convicted of something that required time
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