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11-20-2014 , 12:15 AM
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Originally Posted by LowSociety
It's hard to reply to this post because it's just other-worldly to me. I've written 6 replies and deleted them because there's just too much to address, and it's impossible not to sound condescending or upset. Suffice it to say you and I have polar opposite views, experiences, and biases concerning these matters, which is fine.
You've said you were wrong. Are you going to apologize to the dealer?
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11-20-2014 , 03:07 AM
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Originally Posted by pfapfap
The dealer cannot physically leave the interaction. That makes a huge difference. He's also an employee of the company and therefore cannot speak his mind. It's a power play, and a really ****ty one at that.

Be nice to service workers. They're actually people.
i never understood why ppl say this. the human race is horrible to itself and every other species in the world. being a person is no accomplishment deserving of respect.
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Originally Posted by psandman
I have never seen a dealer threaten to kick someone out. Dealers don't have the authority to kick someone out in any room I've worked at.
dealers maybe personally cant but ive seen em tell ppl plenty of times that if they keep doing something they will get kicked out. ive also seen them tell their boss to kick someone out.
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11-20-2014 , 05:34 AM
This dealer's an idiot. The guy clearly knows he's not gonna be winning and doesn't mind. He probably might reload and burn through $2k as long as he's having fun. If the dealer had shut up I'd be sitting there happily robbing the noob for as much as I can while small talking him to keep his fun up.

I'd definitely let the dealer know he/she should not tell players what to do with their money. And also I'd never tip that dealer again.
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11-20-2014 , 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by pfapfap
My view is guided by having dealers come to me on a near daily basis frustrated with how a player is behaving towards them. You better believe I'd get an earful about the manner in which you expressed your opinion, and rightfully so.
Would you then give him an earful about how he should never do something like this again?

Truly, unless it is some bizarro official policy in the room, this was horribly inappropriate for the dealer to do. Maybe OP didn't handle the situation appropriately, but the dealer was the first one to do something wrong, I can't imagine how any cardroom professional could disagree.
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11-20-2014 , 08:22 AM
I agree, he should stay out of it, but instead of having one situation to deal with, now I have two.
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11-20-2014 , 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by pfapfap
My view is guided by having dealers come to me on a near daily basis frustrated with how a player is behaving towards them. You better believe I'd get an earful about the manner in which you expressed your opinion, and rightfully so.

Stop making my job harder. I have other things to do.
Fine:

It makes sense that you feel/consistently post the way you do when you are only exposed to one side of the story. (the dealers') You probably have a picture painted for you of these poor upstanding dealers facing so much rudeness and adversity, all while trying their best to be polite. I am sure that sometimes, that's completely accurate.

In the real world, however, this image does not hold up. Dealers can be rude, impatient, condescending, unfriendly, and inappropriate. They get to automuck your cards or "accidentally" clock you out if they don't like you. They can get away with murder if the guy who runs the poker room feels no need to pursue any complaints, because he practically has the only game in town. (you know who you are if you're reading this) Most importantly, they also get to call the floor and get me ejected when I curse at them, if they so choose. I hardly call this powerless.

I can't speak for your room, but you also can't speak for mine. The guy I cursed at is as much of a dick as I am, and I don't weep for his feelings in the least, if you must know.
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11-20-2014 , 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by albedoa
You've said you were wrong. Are you going to apologize to the dealer?
No.
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11-20-2014 , 12:35 PM
That speaks volumes about your character.
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11-20-2014 , 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by albedoa
That speaks volumes about your character.
I promise you that the only people who care about--or still think about--this incident are in this thread. Also, at least I'm being honest, and not doing the faux moral superiority thing you see a lot of on the internet these days.
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11-20-2014 , 01:10 PM
Yeah we know. You're one of those "I tell it like it is" people. "I'm hated because I speak the truth."

lol.
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11-20-2014 , 01:19 PM
If a dealer ever does something like that, I just simply announce to him later before I leave, I won't be tipping him ever again thanks to that. But, I'd do it away from the table.
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11-20-2014 , 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by albedoa
Yeah we know. You're one of those "I tell it like it is" people. "I'm hated because I speak the truth."

lol.
I don't think I'm hated. I was going for my honesty speaking more about my character than allowing a loud (and IMO oversensitive) minority in the thread to motivate me to apologize to some guy over a non-issue.
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11-20-2014 , 01:35 PM
Yeah for sure, dude. Totally.
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11-20-2014 , 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by cheeseisgood
i never understood why ppl say this. the human race is horrible to itself and every other species in the world. being a person is no accomplishment deserving of respect.
Yay poker players.

When people ask me why my wife and I don't have kids yet, I frequently point to attitudes like this. I deal with enough children at work.
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11-20-2014 , 07:20 PM
Im shocked at how many dealers ITT justify the dealer's action by saying dealers don't work for sharks and has right to guide the fish to other table.

If that's the case since I don't work for dealers next time some big tipping fish sits down at my table I'm going to tell him standard tipping is $1 and $2 for big pots.

That's all fair right?
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11-20-2014 , 11:39 PM
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Originally Posted by LowSociety
You probably have a picture painted for you of these poor upstanding dealers...
Not really. None of the dealers in my room live up to the standards preached on here, and nobody else gives a crap, so I just have to sit and suffer in silence.

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Originally Posted by LowSociety
In the real world, however, this image does not hold up.
I'm not at all surprised that your simplistic idealistic strawman does not hold up to your own scrutiny. I agree with all that you say about how dealers can be. Happily the traits you describe are far from the norm in the places I've played and worked, but I've not been everywhere. If they are for you, then that's a bummer.

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Originally Posted by LowSociety
I don't weep for his feelings in the least, if you must know.
I don't disagree with you about how dealers can be, nor am I necessarily defending the dealer in this situation.

What I'm saying is that no matter how you feel you've been treated or how you judge what a dealer does or does not deserve, my simple truth remains: It is not appropriate to demean and curse at a service worker during the course of his job. Even if that dealer is actively insulting you and cursing at you. There are other methods of dealing with this.

I get it, he pissed you off. And I understand becoming heated in the moment. I don't judge that. I get it. I'm asking you to step back from your anger.

I'm only one person; I can only deal with one problem at a time. Your chosen method has a high likelihood of me having to have a chat with you which is then keeping me from having a chat about the dealer about whatever it is that got you worked up in the first place. Cursing at a dealer is very often grounds for being removed from the room for the night. I'm not interested in finding out how much of it was "justified", because I don't give a crap. You crossed a line.

It's counter-productive for all involved. Let me address the cause of your anger rather than the anger itself. Help me help you.
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