Re: Clock called on player first to act...dealer mucks players hand.
Poker BN, the poker room manager for Parx, Ari, frequently answers questions in the Parx thread. You might want to bring this to his attention for an explanation and ask him to post it in here so we can all see it. I would also point out the floor said nothing while the clock was counted down. (imo, he should at least give some time intervals like 30 seconds, 10, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 as well state the penalty before starting the countdown.) Ari is good at listening to the players and making changes if necessary.
Re: Clock called on player first to act...dealer mucks players hand.
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Originally Posted by Koko the munkey
but if I had to guess, I would say it's to prevent angleshooting by doing exactly what is described in the OP.
I have never seen anyone try this in a live game. It is deceptive and is the definition of an angle - manipulation of the rules to gain an advantage over an opponent.
What do you think is the angle (and I disagree with your definition of an angle but even by your definition what advantage is gained by not acting while the clock is called on you?)
Re: Clock called on player first to act...dealer mucks players hand.
Has to be some kind of silly, worthless angle being tried. I have never seen anybody let the clock run out without doing some action voluntarally. Hell maybe he was narcoleptic and was actully ZZZZZ, OK that's a reach.
Re: Clock called on player first to act...dealer mucks players hand.
Totally disrespectful of others time. I'm glad his hand was mucked and its def the right ruling. Someone needs to remind these types of players that they're not on tv or on stage and that nobody wants to sit around watching them think for 3 minutes every hand
Re: Clock called on player first to act...dealer mucks players hand.
I like the ruling. If you're not facing a bet, then just check. Sheesh. Best interests of the game not to let people stall like that for no reason. Enough Hollywood nonsense.
Re: Clock called on player first to act...dealer mucks players hand.
It should be a check, but I have never seen a that situation. Of course if someone let's the clock run out to check, the next time he needs a clock it will be much shorter.
I once saw a player trying to stall in a tournament fold by refusing to act until someone called a clock and let his time run out.
Re: Clock called on player first to act...dealer mucks players hand.
I don't see how it can be a check... The floor cannot play a hand for a player and the player was obviously not in his seat (at least mentally) so the hand should be dead.
Besides, what's best for the game overall... A player who refuses to play his hand and tries to force the floor to play it for him tying up a seat, or that player leaving and giving his seat to someone who will actually play? I'd definitely argue it's the player who refuses to play the cards he's been dealt leaving.
He refused to play his hand.
No one else can play it for him.
Dead Hand.
Re: Clock called on player first to act...dealer mucks players hand.
I think this player can't have a live hand.
If he has to make a decision within a time frame there has to be a penalty (which was likely announced) for not making it in that time frame.
In this case the penalty is killing the hand (reasonable and almost 100% stated before the countdown).
If the player did not bet or check when the timer ran out then he did not act. If he did not act on his hand no one else is allowed to, and the penalty for not acting, which was stated in advance, was killing the hand.
Hand is mucked and only player with a live hand wins.
Re: Clock called on player first to act...dealer mucks players hand.
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Originally Posted by uDrewAtThat?
I don't see how it can be a check... The floor cannot play a hand for a player and the player was obviously not in his seat (at least mentally) so the hand should be dead.
Besides, what's best for the game overall... A player who refuses to play his hand and tries to force the floor to play it for him tying up a seat, or that player leaving and giving his seat to someone who will actually play? I'd definitely argue it's the player who refuses to play the cards he's been dealt leaving.
He refused to play his hand.
No one else can play it for him.
Dead Hand.
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DEAD HANDS
1. Your hand is declared dead if:
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(f) You have the clock on you when facing a bet or raise and exceed the specified time limit.
Looks like a check to me, but I have never seen this occur.