Hello all,

I don't know about you, but the most tilting thing I encounter while playing live is when a (usually younger) 2p2er insists on breaking down every hand, talking equities, ranges, 3bets, 4bets, polarizing, etc, etc. It makes the recreational players bored/ill at ease, makes people think/play better, and just generally tilts the hell out of me.

Generally when this occurs, I turn to the person next to me and try to chat about something more interesting (e.g. anything). I'd love to have some subtle way of telling Mr 2p2 how bad his chat is but I dunno how when he's usually going to be several seats away. Any suggestions?

Also, if you are 'that guy', please, for the love of God, STOP. It's not the rest of the world's fault that you spend all your time on 2p2. It may be hard for you to believe, but the average poker player does not know, and does not care, about internet poker forums. Talk about something else. Anything else.

Sorry, rant over

Wow I had no idea people got so tilted by others talking strategy. Thx for the tip. I'm going to strat talk it up as much as I can now to tilt the other players who might have a clue.

I can't speak for others, but yeah it puts me on monkey tilt. Talking bad strategy is good though ('I'll tell you why I hate jacks', etc). But talking like you're on 2p2 while in the real world must be stopped.

I agree, OP. It is just a stupid thing to do. It never puts me on tilt, rather, it just leads me to believe the strat talker is a ****ing idiot.

ITs not that because they talk strategy they live on 2+2...They probably just live in the poker room and dont even think about it because they know all the dealers etc.

Its like going to your favorite bar, when you know the bartenders and everyone else there you can do whatever you want...you buddy walks in and your shouting as loud as ever towards him, when other new comers to the bar are looking at the guy like hes wasted idiot.

and some younger guys will do that, because others dont play their way and dont see that others will take risks they shouldnt have taken to bust a player, just ignore it. Or if you want to get involved, mock them lol...

"Hey, Bro. Lets keep it friendly and not talk strategy at the table? K-Thanks"

It doesn't tilt me, I just hate seeing it chase fish away. Many fish know they are fish and will lose with a smile on their face and have a good time as long as some douchebag doesn't make them feel stupid.

Anyways, there was just a thread about this:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/20...2-2-a-1190656/

I don't mind these guys cause often times they focus just on that kind of stuff and ignore the actual flow of the game, how people play, what happened 3 hands ago etc.... I've had kids (sorry, they're generally like 22 and appear as kids to me) pay me off when it's the easiest fold because they're focused on some minutiae of technical strategy while ignore the players, "Oh I had to call, my equity versus your range blah blah...." I just nod and say oh yea, you had to call there.

This is great, but not ideal when used in front of other players. Ideally we wouldn't have to admit to the existence of good strategy while playing live poker, imo.

I agree, these types are almost never players you'd be scared to have at your table. I think it's the fact that they think that they're the nuts, aren't, and are making the action worse for everyone else that tilts me.

Good luck. Pretty soon you'll probably get some 2+2s telling you that you're wrong, that strategy talk doesn't affect anybody's mood at the table.

I don't always mind the strat-talker. He just gives away gobs and gobs of information about how he plays, and this makes life pretty easy when he's in a pot with you.

What I'm starting to hate is the guy (or two-three guys) who start listening to strat-talker, eat up his every word, and then start answering him/asking him questions. While I certainly don't claim to be a great poker player, I hate it when bad players are asking a player who is objectively worse than me all these questions about the game. Maybe it's my fragile ego, but it tilts me because I just want to shout at them when they're wrong (and they're all wrong most of the time), or when they're giving away valuable information about a hand that the other six players at the table didn't notice, but now have at their disposal.

Anyone else?

I find that most strat talkers in low stakes (1-2 & 2-5) are actually terrible and have lots of leaks in their play. They usually try to run elaborate bluffs and are just overly aggressive. Very easy to make them stack off. I welcome them at my table

It is a bit annoying that they try to educate rec players, but you just have to realize that most of the terminology the strat player is way over the rec players head and will probably forget most of it within the next orbit.

I ask the talker how he likes his dentist.

Talking correct strategy at the table is a sign of poor thinking about the game, since you never _really_ want to educate players at the table for free. Let them learn their lessons by losing their money.

It doesn't _bother_ me when other players start doing this. But what I _will_ do is argue with them that some other incorrect thinking is actually right. Sometimes you can convince the strat talker to adopt poor thinking, or convince him that _you_ have poor thinking, or at the very least ensure that fish hear mixed messages. Either that or go back to talking about sports instead.

This is pretty ridiculous. I'm not advocating talking strategy or being annoying breaking down multiple hands, but people have no right to direct others to not talk about something legitimate at the poker table. The person talking about strategy has the right to discuss what they want; the winrate of someone else there isn't their concern.

Again, I'm not pushing the idea of talking about this stuff at the table, but it's not educating anyone when it does get done. People who are horrible do not suddenly run home and decide to read everything in existence about the game in an attempt to become an awesome TAG, because they heard someone at the table mention gutshots being bad.