Originally Posted by bav

Does 2+2 have some sorta formal privacy policy? I ain't gone lookin' hard, but it'd be nice if there was some sort of written "we promise not to intentionally out you without a court order" thing.

Originally Posted by Linda Geenen

Amazingly, everyone thinks that post was about tipping. Apparently no one has ever read anything else I've ever written, because there are many posts that talk tipping, that wasn't one of them, and tipping was never one of the big issues of dealing poker for me because I didn't see a player as a banknote in my pocket. Tipping would have never been referenced except it was part of the conversation, directed at me.

No one thinks anyone should discuss tipping, yet it's the #1 question that all players ask, "How are the tips in there?" Should we all pretend tipping doesn't happen for the sake of making someone look good or bad?

Since no one seems to mind dragging everyone over the coals in this forum, if you don't want to know what's going on, I suggest you don't read...and obviously never take the whole of what you read, just take one part of it and dissect it until you get it where you want it.

If you read more than one of my posts, you will find that it is a picture of poker, as it really happens, and life as it happens with poker. If you don't see that, then perhaps you aren't capable of understanding the written word, or I've failed miserably in my attempt to write the world of poker.

I doubt that I will come back to check this thread because posting just opens a can of worms with ugly heads. So...peace to you and all your poker endeavors.

Originally Posted by RR

You may not use these forums to insult someone that will never see it. An exception is made for public figures that do not have an expectation of privacy. On the rare occasion that something is said that is negative about an individual that needs to be left in here they are contacted so they are aware they are being discussed.

Originally Posted by frommagio

Can somebody post a link to the article in question? I would like to determine for myself whether the thread was about tipping, and whether it was in poor taste.

Thanks in advance.

Originally Posted by *TT*

it starts here - http://table-tango.pokerworks.com/20...ind-the-noise/, keep reading for 2 weeks or so after. Linda (and many of the others posting comments in that blog entry) never understood why what she said is wrong, its not about tipping per say, its about disclosing the habits of high stakes customers who are very important to the Bellagio. Dealers are replaceable, high stakes customers are not.

Originally Posted by frommagio

Thanks TT, that was an interesting read.

I agree that she never really figured out why she wrong. In her mind, she's simply writing a blog about her experience - it's not about tipping, or anything else - and if somebody doesn't like it, they don't have to read it. But she's an employee of a poker room, and she simply has no right call out customers by name in public.

Originally Posted by *TT*

Part of the problem was that Doug Dalton allegedly (I am using the word allegedly loosely because i can't verify it but I do believe this is true) knew about and condoned Linda's blog, of course that doesn't make it right.

Originally Posted by *TT*

you don't have to agree with the policy, but if anyone seems to intentionally make a post that is counter to the policy after knowing that we have asked it to not occur then they might get a little temp-ban time.

I don't recall any dealer threads bashing a player by name. The NVG thread that is currently active exists to discuss what occurred on a radio show, this list was not made on 2+2.

its not in the job description ;-p

I am not now, nor will I ever be a floor person - its not a job I am interested in, I am a back-office management kind of guy when I work :-). I do provide advice and consultation with card rooms but thats mostly related to marketing and operations strategies. Of the three B&M moderators only RR actually works in card room management, only of the reason why he is such a great moderator is because he sees this forum from both the player and management points of view at the very same time yet always is fair and objective.

The funny thing is that I am often accused of being anti-dealer in this forum, I would disagree with that but I do try to follow Mason's vision of 2+2 as a players resource which means the players needs are generally more important than the needs of dealers. We have had some dealers in this forum up in arms over tipping and hourly rate discussions but in general we have agreed with the right of the players to ask questions about dealer's wages (and in turn the dealers that populate the B&M forum can of course ignore these threads if they find it personally offensive). But this topic is different, there was no reason what so ever to call out the dealers in this list by name... its something only a coward would do, the right way to deal with a problematic dealer is to discuss it with the card room management and if that doesn't work then feel free to take it back to 2+2 but make sure the thread is fair and objective with backing evidence or it's just going to end up locked eventually.

Originally Posted by Mason Malmuth

Hi Everyone:

Another problem with naming specific dealers is that it just might be that the dealer gets named because the poster for some reason does not like this person and it can have nothing to do with their dealing ability. So we need to be careful that we don't imnplicate a good dealer as a bad one even if the chance of this happening is small.

Now with this being said, I do agree that there are some bad dealers out there, and I also agree that in general, cardroom management needs to be stricter with their dealers, especially in the area of extraneous talk at the table.

Best wishes,
Mason