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Old 12-29-2009, 11:39 AM   #16
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Re: banned from casino...advice on appeal?

If you contact the casino manager or someone higher up in authority and plead your case you should be fine since I assume this is your first offense. If you've been kicked out in the past you might be out of luck. Good luck thoug
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Old 12-29-2009, 11:47 AM   #17
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Re: banned from casino...advice on appeal?

Just walk into the poker room if you want to play. Probably, they won't even recognize you there.

If you go to play blackjack that may raise a few flags, but you can put on a Groucho mask as a disguise, since nobody remembers Groucho anymore.
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Old 12-29-2009, 12:01 PM   #18
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Just walk into the poker room if you want to play. Probably, they won't even recognize you there.
Don't do this.

When you get disqualified at the final table of your tournament, it might sour your day.
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Old 12-29-2009, 02:31 PM   #19
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I was banned from fw for underage drinking. After turning 21 I wrote a letter of apology and was reinstated. Though card counting may be a bit tougher.
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Old 12-29-2009, 02:58 PM   #20
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Re: banned from casino...advice on appeal?

I think the key word that MM used is "eventually". You're not getting reinstated next week if you got banned from the whole casino area.

Wait a few months, then write to see if you can get reinstated for the poker room. I'd even offer to call security every time you walk in the casino so they can track you are just going to the poker room.
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Old 12-29-2009, 04:21 PM   #21
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Re: banned from casino...advice on appeal?

I feel like we are not getting the whole story here - certainly no details. If they didn't give a reason and you didn't ask, I have to believe you have an idea why they trespassed you. Since this is a gimmick account how about coming clean with a few details? What is "running good"? Were you drinking? Did they make you sign anything? Did you give any ID or Player's Card that would give them your name?

Going back without clearing up the situation is probably a VERY bad idea.
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Old 12-29-2009, 04:49 PM   #22
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I feel like we are not getting the whole story here - certainly no details. If they didn't give a reason and you didn't ask, I have to believe you have an idea why they trespassed you. Since this is a gimmick account how about coming clean with a few details? What is "running good"? Were you drinking? Did they make you sign anything? Did you give any ID or Player's Card that would give them your name?

Going back without clearing up the situation is probably a VERY bad idea.
well I was attempting to count, but I am definitely no expert as I get confused from time to time. if I'm not sure if it's +1 or +2 for example I play it safe and go to +1. I'm sure I showed some suspicious patterns..only taking insurance when betting big for example

behavior wise if anything I was behaving too well...not talking to others enough. I've heard this is a red flag so I'll try to work on it. I was drinking though which I was hoping took some heat off but guess not. Also I made the mistake of camping out too long at one table so they could watch me too easily

but I do have good news! I called them and they told me it was just a 24 hour ejection. They still did not give me a reason they just said it was a business decision. I will wait till the big thursday tourney before attempting to play blackjack again for sure. Should I run it by security first when I get there to make sure I don't get kicked out mid session?
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Old 12-29-2009, 04:58 PM   #23
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...but I do have good news! I called them and they told me it was just a 24 hour ejection...
Well that is good news indeed.

Sounds like you handled yourself in a calm & professional manner which resulted in keeping the impact minor and short.

Congrats & good luck!

As far as checking in at Security: did you happen to catch the name of the person with whom you spoke? It might not be a bad idea to at least pull the Floor aside when you return and let them know you did call Security and confirm that you'd been given a 24 hour ban which was now expired and you just wanted them to know about it up front to avoid any drama.
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Old 12-29-2009, 05:18 PM   #24
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Just walk into the poker room if you want to play. Probably, they won't even recognize you there.

If you go to play blackjack that may raise a few flags, but you can put on a Groucho mask as a disguise, since nobody remembers Groucho anymore.
This is an incredibly bad idea. If the OP does this then wins a significant sum of money, he will have to show them a valid ID. They can then DQ him and split his winings with teh rest of the players who cashed since he was legally barred from the casinos.

If he is recognized, very possible cameras are everywhere, then he can be DQ'd immediately and possibly lose his buy in.

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Richard Brodie who is probably best known for being the programer who created "Microsoft Word" and a poker player was banned from Harrah's a couple of years ago.

He received a certified letter from Harah's explaining they could not figure out how to make a profit off of his play so they no longer wished to have him in their casino's.

he was somewhat shocked by this because all he plays is eitehr poker or Video Poker. He had a run of very good luck hitting 4 Royal's in the same year at HET casinos. A royal in VP pays out 4000 units of whatever you are playing. Richard plays $5 units so his wins are worth $20,000 each.

This is why he was banned from HET casinos.

he managed to get allowed back in for live poker only and you have likely seen him on TV during WSOP broadcasts.
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Old 12-29-2009, 05:42 PM   #25
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well I was attempting to count, but I am definitely no expert as I get confused from time to time. if I'm not sure if it's +1 or +2 for example I play it safe and go to +1. I'm sure I showed some suspicious patterns..only taking insurance when betting big for example

behavior wise if anything I was behaving too well...not talking to others enough. I've heard this is a red flag so I'll try to work on it. I was drinking though which I was hoping took some heat off but guess not. Also I made the mistake of camping out too long at one table so they could watch me too easily

but I do have good news! I called them and they told me it was just a 24 hour ejection. They still did not give me a reason they just said it was a business decision. I will wait till the big thursday tourney before attempting to play blackjack again for sure. Should I run it by security first when I get there to make sure I don't get kicked out mid session?
Just remember that you are done counting at this casino so you might not want to play blackjack. You have a shot at counting other places if you were just booted as suspected and not confirmed. But if you count here again GL playing anywhere other than the tiniest of mini casinos.
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Old 12-29-2009, 06:19 PM   #26
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I will wait till the big thursday tourney before attempting to play blackjack again for sure.
After being kicked out once at a place where you obviously wish to continue to play poker, this is simply mind-boggling.
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Old 12-29-2009, 09:11 PM   #27
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Re: banned from casino...advice on appeal?

A young reg at Turning Stone got into a shoving match with another player (no punches, but pushing physically) in the poker room and was given a lifetime ban.

A lawyer friend of his called the casino, asked what they wanted, and they said he could pay a $300 fine to the tribe.

He paid it, and got reinstated.
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Old 12-29-2009, 09:36 PM   #28
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well I was attempting to count, but I am definitely no expert as I get confused from time to time. if I'm not sure if it's +1 or +2 for example I play it safe and go to +1. I'm sure I showed some suspicious patterns..only taking insurance when betting big for example

behavior wise if anything I was behaving too well...not talking to others enough. I've heard this is a red flag so I'll try to work on it. I was drinking though which I was hoping took some heat off but guess not. Also I made the mistake of camping out too long at one table so they could watch me too easily

but I do have good news! I called them and they told me it was just a 24 hour ejection. They still did not give me a reason they just said it was a business decision. I will wait till the big thursday tourney before attempting to play blackjack again for sure. Should I run it by security first when I get there to make sure I don't get kicked out mid session?
FYI, "It was a business decision" is code for "we think you were counting cards." No casino will EVER give you a reason if they suspect you're an advantage player. If you were, in fact, counting (or even attempting to count), you can just assume that's the reason.

Don't let their politeness fool you, you are definitely not welcome at the blackjack tables. If you want to continue playing poker there, don't play any more blackjack. Next time, they probably won't be so polite when they ask you to leave, and they certainly won't allow you to come back again.

If for some reason, you still insist on trying to play blackjack again (maybe there are 10 other casinos in town, and you don't really care for this one?), wait at least a few months. If they have your name and rating information, DON'T use your rating card. Don't play on the same shift as when you were backed off. And don't camp out all night at one table. Play a few shoes and leave. Or walk around the pit and back count a few tables until you find a hot shoe, jump in, play, then leave.

Whatever you do, don't run over to security and identify yourself as someone they've previously backed off for counting! What do you think they will say, "Yeah, sure. We wanted to watch you play some more because we weren't quite sure if you were counting. Thanks for letting us know you're here. Carry on. Don't win too much, ha ha!" Haven't you seen the movie 21? You want to AVOID interacting with security. Keep a low profile. If you get caught again, don't admit to doing anything, don't show your ID and don't sign anything. That way, if you ever want to come back they won't have any proof that they ever 86'd you.

Seriously, though, your chances of winning are much higher if you stick to poker (with 0% chance of getting kicked out). Save your card counting practice for trips to Vegas, where it's way easier to blend in and nobody even looks at you twice unless you're betting $1000 a hand.

Good Luck!
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Old 12-29-2009, 10:01 PM   #29
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After being kicked out once at a place where you obviously wish to continue to play poker, this is simply mind-boggling.
+1000

To play BJ there again is insane. Really.

BTW, they don't have to look at you, see you sweat or anything else. All they have to look for is that you are varying your bet sizes. You'll notice that most other players bet the same amount every hand. As soon as you start moving from the minimum bet size to 4X+, they know you are counting.
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Old 12-29-2009, 10:33 PM   #30
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Whatever you do, don't run over to security and identify yourself as someone they've previously backed off for counting! What do you think they will say, "Yeah, sure. We wanted to watch you play some more because we weren't quite sure if you were counting. Thanks for letting us know you're here. Carry on. Don't win too much, ha ha!" Haven't you seen the movie 21? You want to AVOID interacting with security. Keep a low profile. If you get caught again, don't admit to doing anything, don't show your ID and don't sign anything. That way, if you ever want to come back they won't have any proof that they ever 86'd you.
fwiw I meant if I'm going there to play poker...don't want to get DQed at final table or something. just wondering if I should confirm I'm allowed back in, but it sounds like they won't bug me unless I go to blackjack
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