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Old 07-07-2012, 08:49 AM   #46
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Re: Bankroll Question for 1/2 Live

This entire thing is becoming silly and level-ish.
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Old 07-07-2012, 01:22 PM   #47
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This entire thing is becoming silly and level-ish.
Sorry I am trying to be serious, but i got all my answers I think.

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Old 07-07-2012, 05:11 PM   #48
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Re: Bankroll Question for 1/2 Live

I say go back in with the $580. If it's either that or grinding 2nl I'd go grind aces at 1/2 and sit live for 90 hrs a week. The chances of you busting only playing aces (maybe break your $580 into $100 BI's) is pretty slim and all you need to do is double up once and you'll have made more than you will online.

Make it happen.

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Old 07-07-2012, 06:09 PM   #49
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Re: Bankroll Question for 1/2 Live

The odds that someone could actually sit live 90 hours in a week are pretty high against. Not impossible, but good god, what an experience this would be
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Old 07-07-2012, 07:28 PM   #50
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Re: Bankroll Question for 1/2 Live

The large bankroll requirements are for a certain percentage level of confidence that you won't lose it. Assuming a winning player, the majority can get by with quite a bit less. But your risk of losing it all increases with decreasing bankroll, of course.

Your bankroll is almost nil, so you have to assume you're basically "taking a shot". If you're good enough and your opponents bad enough, you have a reasonably good chance of not losing $1500.

But after that, it would be nice to have some income lined up. At the low stakes you have to play with that bankroll, you're going to be taking out about what you're expected to win each month. In that case, you're virtually guaranteed to bust out at some point.
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Old 07-08-2012, 01:07 AM   #51
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I say go back in with the $580. If it's either that or grinding 2nl I'd go grind aces at 1/2 and sit live for 90 hrs a week. The chances of you busting only playing aces (maybe break your $580 into $100 BI's) is pretty slim and all you need to do is double up once and you'll have made more than you will online.

Make it happen.

Nah read the other replies, and I moved up to 5nl.

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The odds that someone could actually sit live 90 hours in a week are pretty high against. Not impossible, but good god, what an experience this would be
I can do it. I play bout the same online if not more.

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The large bankroll requirements are for a certain percentage level of confidence that you won't lose it. Assuming a winning player, the majority can get by with quite a bit less. But your risk of losing it all increases with decreasing bankroll, of course.

Your bankroll is almost nil, so you have to assume you're basically "taking a shot". If you're good enough and your opponents bad enough, you have a reasonably good chance of not losing $1500.

But after that, it would be nice to have some income lined up. At the low stakes you have to play with that bankroll, you're going to be taking out about what you're expected to win each month. In that case, you're virtually guaranteed to bust out at some point.
Yea I know, I'd rather save + grind and go when I can feel comfortable
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Old 07-08-2012, 12:02 PM   #52
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Re: Bankroll Question for 1/2 Live

What type of life is sitting in front of your home computer playing poker 90 hours a week?

Didn't you say earlier that you had a normal, everyday job? How is this possible if the above is true?
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Old 07-08-2012, 12:57 PM   #53
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Didn't you say earlier that you had a normal, everyday job? How is this possible if the above is true?
FWIW, he said he has income, not a job. He apparently gets $1,100/month from Canada's version of SSDI (Social Security Disability).
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Old 07-08-2012, 01:02 PM   #54
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Re: Bankroll Question for 1/2 Live

Hello all- I've done stuff like this all the time, and it pays off sometimes. I think he should just go for it- 1/2 is a game where you build a bankroll, so you have to take some chances in the beginning. Just go there and buy in for the minimum, play tight, and get your money in with the best hand early. Buying in short makes decisions a lot easier, and just look to come out of the game with having made money, and start setting yourself up for being able to keep coming back to the casino and playing. Be attentive to when the best (typically busiest) times are to play, and go those nights and try and get in a good game, good seat,- something to help your chances.

Also, when you're building your bankroll, stop wins aren't a bad idea. Say you buy in for 100, and you double it up to +-200. If you double up from here, the game is really bad, or win another pot around $150, you should probably leave and pad your bankroll. If the game is really good, evaluate it, because winning 1-2k (or more) is a quick way to getting your bankroll for 1/2. You were very smart to have and adhere to your stop loss on your first visit.
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Old 07-08-2012, 01:46 PM   #55
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Re: Bankroll Question for 1/2 Live

OP, I believe I was at your table at CN when you got stacked. The asian lady in seat 1 scooped the entire pot with her set of deuces correct? You were in seat 7 I think.

I know you got your money in good but you still have a long ways to go to adjusting to live full ring poker. I know it was your first time playing live but I would recommend reading articles about adjusting from online -> live. I don't remember how you lost your first $200 but I just recall you spewing money away with 97s to the fish after playing fairly tight. Btw, the PAC card will give you nothing but free parking at the casino.

My advice to you would be to build your roll online and move up asap. If possible, take a % of your monthly income from the gov't and deposit it into your online roll each month to help you move up. Grinding away like a robot at 2nl is not the way to go and won't improve your lifestyle or game.

I would stay away from 1/2 live right now as you don't seem to have the roll for it. Unless you run hot you will probably go broke. If you want to take shots I would buy in for $100 when you have a roll of at least $3K.

But most importantly work on your game. Being able to beat 2nl +5nl zoom doesn't necessarily mean that you will beat 1/2 live. Good luck!
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Old 07-08-2012, 02:13 PM   #56
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What type of life is sitting in front of your home computer playing poker 90 hours a week?

Didn't you say earlier that you had a normal, everyday job? How is this possible if the above is true?
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FWIW, he said he has income, not a job. He apparently gets $1,100/month from Canada's version of SSDI (Social Security Disability).
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Hello all- I've done stuff like this all the time, and it pays off sometimes. I think he should just go for it- 1/2 is a game where you build a bankroll, so you have to take some chances in the beginning. Just go there and buy in for the minimum, play tight, and get your money in with the best hand early. Buying in short makes decisions a lot easier, and just look to come out of the game with having made money, and start setting yourself up for being able to keep coming back to the casino and playing. Be attentive to when the best (typically busiest) times are to play, and go those nights and try and get in a good game, good seat,- something to help your chances.

Also, when you're building your bankroll, stop wins aren't a bad idea. Say you buy in for 100, and you double it up to +-200. If you double up from here, the game is really bad, or win another pot around $150, you should probably leave and pad your bankroll. If the game is really good, evaluate it, because winning 1-2k (or more) is a quick way to getting your bankroll for 1/2. You were very smart to have and adhere to your stop loss on your first visit.
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OP, I believe I was at your table at CN when you got stacked. The asian lady in seat 1 scooped the entire pot with her set of deuces correct? You were in seat 7 I think.

I know you got your money in good but you still have a long ways to go to adjusting to live full ring poker. I know it was your first time playing live but I would recommend reading articles about adjusting from online -> live. I don't remember how you lost your first $200 but I just recall you spewing money away with 97s to the fish after playing fairly tight. Btw, the PAC card will give you nothing but free parking at the casino.

My advice to you would be to build your roll online and move up asap. If possible, take a % of your monthly income from the gov't and deposit it into your online roll each month to help you move up. Grinding away like a robot at 2nl is not the way to go and won't improve your lifestyle or game.

I would stay away from 1/2 live right now as you don't seem to have the roll for it. Unless you run hot you will probably go broke. If you want to take shots I would buy in for $100 when you have a roll of at least $3K.

But most importantly work on your game. Being able to beat 2nl +5nl zoom doesn't necessarily mean that you will beat 1/2 live. Good luck!
Yea that was me, the 97 hand I opened to 25$ and the damn asian lady got JJ reshiped all in, and I called. (1) She could have a wide range so if it not 99+ I am not in bad shape (later i saw her open with any ace, and 3 bet like lolz hands) (2) I didn't think I was aloud to reload to 200 and thought i had to go broke.

The other 200 I got it in pre with KK vs the older guy who had AK, vs the asian lady who has 22. Flop A2x.

You must of been in seat 1-5, since you didn't see my hand or maybe you did but didn't mention it. Who are you? lol

Also last nite i moved up to 5nl, and will prob move up again within a week (I put in lot of volume). My goal is not to really learn to much, but just to grind out a bigger roll and hit CN at the end of the month.

Are you a reg there?

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Old 07-08-2012, 04:53 PM   #57
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This entire thing is becoming silly and level-ish.
After reading this thread by OP I totally agree.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/54...again-1216026/

My advice to you was to work on your game and you tell me "My goal is not to really learn to much, but just to grind out a bigger roll and hit CN at the end of the month" lol

I know it was a small sample size of about 3 hours but I have a hard time believing that you can beat 1/2 at CN after watching you play. The odds are definitely against you but for your own sake I hope you can I guess.

If you think it's fine opening to $25 w/ 97s in a 1/2 $200 max game while being somewhat SS and calling it off vs a fish than I hope you come more often to CN
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Old 07-08-2012, 05:33 PM   #58
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After reading this thread by OP I totally agree.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/54...again-1216026/

My advice to you was to work on your game and you tell me "My goal is not to really learn to much, but just to grind out a bigger roll and hit CN at the end of the month" lol

I know it was a small sample size of about 3 hours but I have a hard time believing that you can beat 1/2 at CN after watching you play. The odds are definitely against you but for your own sake I hope you can I guess.

If you think it's fine opening to $25 w/ 97s in a 1/2 $200 max game while being somewhat SS and calling it off vs a fish than I hope you come more often to CN
No I meant that I can beat 2nl, 5nl already so I don't learn to much, in live I to figure out best opening sizes, ranges, 3 bet ranges, how to play vs certain players etc. I am not nor did I say I was a winner at 1/2 live, nor do I think I can "beat the game" after like what 90 hands?

I play like 10k hands a day online and my results day to day vary, one day I win 25 buy ins, others it's breakeven etc.

So who were you at the table? so I make sure to hunt you next time. Tehehe *giggles like asian anime girl*
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Old 07-08-2012, 07:01 PM   #59
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Re: Bankroll Question for 1/2 Live

Bankroll management is useful and all, but it has its limitations. If you are a losing player, then good BRM will not accomplish anything other than extending the amount of time it takes for you to go broke.
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Old 07-08-2012, 09:40 PM   #60
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If you want to take shots I would buy in for $100 when you have a roll of at least $3K.
Good posts, but this advice is off. He could realize the same level of success by buying in for $100 with a $400 roll. There is no need for him to build a thirty-buyin roll to take a shot unless he thinks it's reasonable for him to lose $3k in that manner, in which case the word "bankroll" would be even less applicable here

It is clear from the info provided by the OP that this is not a bankroll. This is a shot.
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