Bad Beat Jackpot Etiquette, Rules, Stories, etc. - Page 2 - Poker Card Room

JayTeeMe · 09-12-2012, 04:11 AM

Why does the pocket pair bet? Why not just check it down?

abracadabrab · 09-12-2012, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by JayTeeMe

Why does the pocket pair bet? Why not just check it down?

I think that it's to signify that they have a hand that qualifies for the bbj and in case someone is in there with a hand that won't qualify for the bbj to let them know to fold. If, say, it's a 3 way pot on a board of A-A-A-Q-J and players a (AK), b (KQ), and c (TT) and they check it down, player b kills the bbj.

mikelbyl · 09-12-2012, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by AngusThermopyle

The "beat" has to be the second best hand. So, if the second best hand does not use both cards, no jackpot, even if the third best hand qualifies.

Similarly, Board: Q

J

Q

T

Player 1: A

K

Player 2: 9

8

Player 3: Q

Q

Player 4: J

J

Players 3 & 4 just get a table share

One of the promos at Playground Poker is the Super Bad Beat. Player 1 & 2 is the only qualifying hand. There's no extra drop for this, but the payout is $1M split two ways, paid as an annuity after the regular bad beat payout is taken out and distributed.

Quadstriker · 09-12-2012, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by JayTeeMe

Why does the pocket pair bet? Why not just check it down?

Pocket pair bets so the guy with the donkey cards can lay it down. If they check it through, KJ guy can invalidate a BBJ by not playing a kicker.

A little more detail...

The procedure at card rooms that I've worked at and played that have aces full as a qualifier:

When the third ace hits the board the dealer calls "three on board" and the floor comes over to make sure that no improper collusion takes place. Donkey cards guy (KJ) is not allowed to muck in this case without a bet, and ALL hands are required to be shown at showdown. Donkey cards can't look at the other two hands at showdown and then muck his hand if he would invalidate a BBJ by not playing a kicker with a 2nd best hand.

BigBlue56 · 09-12-2012, 05:03 PM

I think in the NJ/PA places, quads requires a pocket pair, and Aces full requires an Ace in hand to qualify.

JayTeeMe · 09-12-2012, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by abracadabrab

I think that it's to signify that they have a hand that qualifies for the bbj and in case someone is in there with a hand that won't qualify for the bbj to let them know to fold. If, say, it's a 3 way pot on a board of A-A-A-Q-J and players a (AK), b (KQ), and c (TT) and they check it down, player b kills the bbj.

Can't KQ guy just quietly muck?

SirRawrsALot · 09-13-2012, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by JayTeeMe

Can't KQ guy just quietly muck?

Apparently not in some rooms.

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Originally Posted by Quadstriker

Pocket pair bets so the guy with the donkey cards can lay it down. If they check it through, KJ guy can invalidate a BBJ by not playing a kicker.

A little more detail...

The procedure at card rooms that I've worked at and played that have aces full as a qualifier:

When the third ace hits the board the dealer calls "three on board" and the floor comes over to make sure that no improper collusion takes place. Donkey cards guy (KJ) is not allowed to muck in this case without a bet, and ALL hands are required to be shown at showdown. Donkey cards can't look at the other two hands at showdown and then muck his hand if he would invalidate a BBJ by not playing a kicker with a 2nd best hand.

JayTeeMe · 09-13-2012, 03:19 AM

I'll share my one story of getting a table share:

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Originally Posted by JayTeeMe

Holy relevant question!

Was at Canterbury yesterday. Finally got called to an 8/16 to table 13. I look around the table and there's like 7 solid players I know and 1 unknown guy. So I ask for a table change to the other game, table 2. I scope out table 2 and nobody is racked up or low on money so I figured it'll be awhile and return to table 13.

It's my big blind so I post it and play. Some late position guy steals the blinds. Post the small blind. As soon as I have cards they call me for my table change. FML! as soon as I post my blinds. I rack up and this hand takes forever since it's like a set over set or something. But dammit, I paid for that button and I'm sure as hell gonna play it.

I get rags again on the button, fold, and head to table 2. The button's just passed me so I post in. I get rags again and fold to a preflop raise. Hand plays out, preflop raiser wins with KK. I get another hand which is actually playable this time so I play it. Just then, a huge cheer goes up from table 13. They hit the BBJ, which is at 108k. I missed it by one ****ing hand?? I play my hand to the river, brick my draw, and head over to table 13 to complain about my terrible luck. When I get over there the dealer calls to me "Jay! Jay, we need your ID!" What? The BBJ hand was the hand I left on! I was dealt in! I get a table share! My cut is $3795! Life is good!

WillCK · 09-13-2012, 10:35 AM

Where I play they have tightened up the requirements to get bigger bbj's going. It is now quads over quads or better and you must start with a pair (or both hole cards must play in the case of a straight flush)

Amusing bbj story from back in the day at a cardroom in washington state:

Playing 4/8 minbet poker...lulz. Guy who was just passing through and had never played in the room before gets quad 6's beat by quad K's. Board reads KK66x and they both have the pair in the hole. He loses his mind...not believing he just got quads beat for a huge pot. We tell him to calm down that he just won $5K (bbj was always at $10K because they had a high hand promotion also that ran on certain days every two hours)

This was a small indian casino and it was the middle of the night, so they had to call in someone to sign paperwork to release the money or something. They explained to all of us that it might take an hour, but they would get the money to us ASAP. They gave the bbj winner $1000 up front as a good faith gesture, but he was paranoid that he wasn't going to get the rest of his money...the guy was freaking out thinking something was shady. We all tried to reassure him it was all good, just give it time. He finally got his money like 45 minutes later and bolted out of there. I got a nice 3 hundo table share.

dgiharris · 09-13-2012, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Quadstriker

Gotta love it when on a AAAJ7 board pocket tens bets, AQ calls, and KJ calls to herp derp everyone.

That would be super sick.

I had this hand happen while I was at the table. It was at Lucky Chances a few months ago during their double jackpot promotion. Jackpot was doubled to $240k+ and table share was $6k apiece.

9 way family pot,

Board: 6 6 4 4 4

Big blind has 66
Small blind had 54

This was the closest I've ever gotten to being at a BBJ table. So sick.

Someone had pocket 2s and someone else had pocket 3s so out of the entire deck there are only 8 kickers he can have that don't qualify for the BBJ.... So sick.

3BetBroke · 09-13-2012, 05:28 PM

then binked a 55k bbj at fallsview casino in niagara falls for 12.5k as i was the winner with quads over his quads, my quad A's vs 9's he got 25k.

danspartan · 09-13-2012, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Quadstriker

Tie kicker plays in every house I've ever played or worked. (Not to say it's universal)

Sadly not the case at Oceans. AAAKX board can't win because AK doesn't qualify due to tied kicker. Learned this when I had JJ vs AJ on AA3A...."3 on board" was called by thedealer and we knew we had it since both me and the other guy were half standing watching the bleeping K come on the river and the whole table groaning. So while this wasn't exactly a tie kicker situation eeveryone knew we got counterfeited before the cards were turned up.

Still upsetting months later. 35 outs for $11k .........

wes c. addle · 09-14-2012, 11:03 AM

I won a bad beat jackpot a few weeks ago.

1/2 at local poker club - jackpot over $11k

I raise with A

J

, 3-4 callers, $40-$50 in the pot

Flop = K

J

5

Gets checked around..

Turn = A

I get min check-raised by SB - I bet $25, he made it $50, I call

River = A

= He bets $40 with only $30-$50 left behind, I say "$400", he says "I wish I had a thousand - call" - flips over Q

10

Funny, I didn't even think bad beat until he made that comment. Funnier... as the bad beat grew and people talked about hitting it, I always said I didn't want to be there when it hit, as I'd just be jealous of the winner when I got my share of under $500.

Regarding 'etiquette', wasn't really sure what to do. This club uses volunteer dealers who work for tips (decent hourly, though). My take was over $5,600. I gave dealer $300, I gave the two dealers that were dealing the nightly tournament $50 each, and the 'floor' (who is the main dealer at the club) got $100 from me. I'm pretty sure the 25% winner gave the dealer at least $100.

Kinda like a hole-in-one in golf, regarding can play for years and never hit one... Hooray.

Quadstriker · 09-14-2012, 11:19 PM

I guess I can post this here. One hour ago...

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Originally Posted by Quadstriker

I am in the box. The players involved are not new players and are familiar with the rules of the room.

72AA

AK donks.
QQ mucks.
77 calls.

River ace.

Bye bye 20 dimes. Good job. Good effort.