Like what? Are you fishing around, hoping one of us will come up with an angle that you can use?

Seriously. Angles are for scumbags. If you are considering doing what you think is an angle, you are a scumbag. Period.

actually I am keeping information back :/

nevertheless

it looks like I had different perception of an angle, to what the most of the replies are.

Are you afraid people will crack your code or something?

What you're describing so far sounds bush league. Not quite an angle, but not really in the spirit of the game, either.

Many players make the mistake of thinking of themselves as competitors. I disagree with this line of thought.

For me, poker is a business. You should strive to rise above the level of play of your customers. And since you want repeat customers, you want them to feel they got good value for their spending money. You want them to come back. You want them to be happy you're at a table with them, because they enjoy the service that you offer, which is a fun, respectful game.

Trick moves have no place here.

It sounds like you thought "angles" were a cool and integral part of the game, like an extra level of play above straightforward poker. Am I reading this wrong?

A lot of players (typical veteran rec-fish and quasi thinking players) share this belief but luckily most players just don't feel comfortable shooting angles. It's usually the veteran players that aren't very good that are the biggest offenders of angle shooting... Occassionally you will get a decent veteran who angles shots... I'd say that 2% of the players are angle shooters.

I will explain the angle that OP mentioned that has confused everyone here. I've been victim to it several times, so I should know by now.

Fish and drunks will sometimes accidentally check out of turn. This always means they are not paying attention. It usually means their hand is weak. Sharp players will often pick up on this tell and bluff.

Anglers like OP will sometimes reverse this tell and intentionally check out of turn against people like me to induce bluffs. It can be very tilting. And expensive.

Lesson to be learned here: if someone who seems sober and alert checks out of turn against you, and you have an aggro image, they are very likely trying to angle you.

Lesson that many players learn rather quickly.

Plus, many places, a check out of turn means that they cannot take aggressive action - they can only fold/call/check when it gets to them, they cannot raise or make the initial bet.

Finally, it is a version of "You can't cheat an honest man". If you think your opponent "made an honest mistake" and you are determined to extract maximum value from the "mistake", you may extract more than you bargained for.

It's amazing how a player can know about the angle, know the angle shooter, and still make the call



I see this all the time, "I knew it"

well, if you knew it why did you call?

Anyways, amazing how some angles still work regardless of how obvious they are...

FWIW, I thought the TD handled it very well...

Very important to understand, I struggled for years with this.

Will it be considered an angle shoot to purposely send opponents on tilt by slow rolling? I've had a conversation recently on this subject with the intent of pissing off recreational players in tournaments. Thoughts?

Angle? No.
A-hole move? Yes.
Effective? Depends.
Should you expect to get slowrolled by an expert after you pull your trick? Definitely.

^^^^ it wont even effect anyone remotely good at the game. the fact that i may be slowrolled 1% of the time is always an option in my head, i expect it eventually against me every year cash n tourney, so i dgaf its hilarious to me.

against recs or tiltmonkeys yes it will do *something*. when observing others attempting a similar slowroll against them, ive found though they just wont give you as much action in the future because they dont care about the money and just dislike you, fwiw, your risk.

Will result in less recreational players in tournaments.

It's not an angle to slowroll someone. Maybe you should think of another way to piss people off, I dunno, perhaps you should just be yourself. That might work. =

In any event, I'm sure you'll fit in nicely with all the other rec. players.

If that's your plan I hope they follow you to the parking place. But hey, you're allowed to do it.

It's an interesting thing. On every video of Tony G or whomever doing stuff like that, there will always will be people who say something like "Why shouldn't I use every advantage I have to get your money?" I say if you feel like you need to angle, intentionally slowroll, or needle people nonstop in order to win, all you're doing is broadcasting your insecurities about your game that you think you'll be outplayed without emotionally manipulating your opponents.

I agree...even though it does seem to violate the OPTAH rule.

It's a really dumb idea, especially in tournaments. Considering how often people are moved and tables break, you won't even get any "advantage". Remember, everybody else at the table sees you slow roll. It affects your image.

Here's a phrase I hear a LOT in tournaments: "Well, time to go big or go home, and you're such a nice guy, I'd rather lose to you. I call."

Once deep in a tournament I got crippled when my Aces were cracked. A little while later when I shoved, the massive big stack re-raised me to isolate with rags, because he enjoyed having me at the table.

I guarantee these things don't happen to slow rollers.

There are zero advantages to being perceived as a doucebag, and many advantages to being a nice, friendly player, especially in tournaments.

Does slowrolling even put people on tilt? I got slowrolled once and I literally burst out laughing hysterically at the table because I thought it was hilarious that someone would actually try to slowroll me. I think he ended up feeling kinda stupid afterwards. I dont even know if fish would understand a slowroll if they saw one, they'd probably think you are just literally slow to reveal your hand. Seems to serve no purpose to me. Good players wont care and bad players wont know. Plus you just end up looking like a douche for the rest of the game and that kind of negativity towards you could affect how you play.

Yes, people get upset, for the same reason people get upset over a lot of things.

Anger exists in the gulf between expectation and reality. Slow-rolling exploits this. That's why people get upset at perceived slow-rolls, when the alleged perpetrator was simply making sure the pot was correct and the hand was over.

Not sure how that speech makes other rec players at the table feel

The angler doesn't get the protection of OPTAH here, after his history.

I would love to see the TD look at anglers hand and when he see the full house, turn it face up.
Then tell the other guy it's his decision whether the raise stands or the call.

And then give the angler a penalty.

Doesn't bother them at all. Every rec player believes he or she is super awesome.

FWIW, they agreed with me

You're a bum and it's lol that these angles are so cunning they can't be revealed.