In writing my letter to the board, I added in the fact that dealers can already play in-state in most other areas. In Atlantic City, dealers can play in-state. In California, dealers can play in-state. Hell, in Nevada, dealers can play in their own room!

I have trouble believing that all of these locations (and more, probably) allow this if the problems that Outside-In alludes to were any cause for concern.

As gjpsr said, if anything casino employees are held to a higher standard of conduct in my experience.

You guys are the ones using words like "cheat" and "crooked." I never said anything of the sort. But imagine if a dealer playing at... well... the Rivers is playing above their bankroll, takes a horrible beat on a 2 outer for all their roll and comes in to deal the next day to the same player that took their rent money etc. at the Meadows. Do you think that player might get treated a little worse that someone that just doesn't tip?

A no, again. these are proffessional card rooms with pro. staff with 2 cameras at least per table and well trained floor one complaint from customer and your in trouble, casinos are owned by billion dollar entities BS is not tolerated.

Why don't you respond to this, Outside-In? Casino employees have been able to gamble in-state and even in their own room for decades. Why would that be the case if, as you suggest, this would cause so many problems?

You don't think that if the problems you allude to were rampant that any of those jurisdictions wouldn't have changed their policies and procedures at some point?

Seems to me that if Nevada, Calofornia and New Jersey have not changed the rules in all this time, they have not experienced the problems you seem to think are enevitable.

Therefore, those problems probably wouldn't happen in other areas, such as Pennsylvania.

Sorry, I thought I would eat dinner. I apologize.

I know that most, but not all jurisdictions do allow for this. This does mean I agree with it. There are two points of view to the situation. If it were not somewhat controversial, all jurisdictions would allow it. If you are naive enough to think that it does not cause problems well... so be it. I have seen firsthand problems associated with casino employees playing poker with guests.

I hope you are in the 90-95% of dealers that are professional and do not cause problems, but to say there is no possibility of conflict of interest issues and possible problems is ignorant. One of the rooms I play at decided to stop letting dealers prop because of some of these problems.

I never said that problems were rampant (you folks keep putting words in my mouth). BUT there are problems. I guess if you are on your own free time you should be allowed to go to another casino operator and play whatever you want. I just think it is bad business.

dealers can absolutely 'cheat' players. it is difficult if not impossible to cheat the cards that come out, but i've heard about dealers getting 'even' with players in other ways.

That doesn't make them much different than any other poker player, now does it?

As I see it, the main "achievement" that the in-state ban accomplishes is limiting the pool from which dealers can be pulled. People who are interested in poker will, imo, make for the the better dealers, because it's important to them already.

Because, surprise-surprise, they also like to play the games they are dealing.... they don't deal.

I think any dealer should be banned from playing in his own card room, but not banned from other rooms in the state. The appearance of impropriety is much more damaging than the actual occurance, which I'm assuming are rare.

^^^^^ X1000 Exactly what Larry said.... A lot of people who would be great dealers/ have experience won't deal because they don't want to give up playing at a nearby casino... Also everyone is associating this with a dealer wanting to play poker... I happen to be a dealer in PA and can't even drive an hour away and play a SLOT MACHINE.... like I really have the power/desire to rig one... I don't get it/agree with it but it's a choice/sacrafice I make and live with....

If New Jersey has taught us anything it's that once the state gets desperate for more revenue they will realize they have a HUGE untapped market in casino employees and this will change (eventually)

Can someone PLEASE make a list of states that allow casino employees to play instate... and states that dont?

Im offering 1$ UB/AP/BS money.

So your feelings compared to the actual evidence that shows other jurisdictions allow this and there have not been cases of gaming boards changing those rules to remove the ability to play in-state. Again, I'll go with Occam's Razor on this one...

I don't see any evidence that poker dealers are treated any better or worse as players. In fact, when I play, I will sometimes not say what I do for a living. Sometimes I do, however. So if you are at a table with someone who doesn't say anything, you would never know they were a dealer; if you are at a table with someone who admits it, you know his or her deal and can report them to their casino if they act badly.

I deal to dealers from Delaware Park all the time. I also deal to AC dealers too. I fail to see how that would be any different if I dealt to someone who dealt at a casino in Western Pennsylvania, which is actually farther away than Delaware or the Jersey Shore by a considerable margin.

Unless you want to ban poker dealers from playing ANYWHERE, which is kinda ridiculous...

From what I understand, anything I might do as a dealer that would be negative or positive towards a player would potentially cause me to be fired, lose my license, lose the ability to get a license in other areas and possibly even open me up to being arrested.

I like my job a lot. I make pretty good money at it. The risk/reward - at least for me - makes any situation where I try and rig a deck for or against a player -EV for life.

And as Larry said, even if a dealer was inclined to risk their job and career to get even with someone or to help someone else, it doesn't have to be a dealer. It can be anyone for any reasons.

Honestly, the only thing about having a dealer at the table when I deal means that one person will probably be well behaved and if I push him or her a pot, I will probably be toked better than average but again, any table can have a person (or more!) who will be the same.

As for playing against dealers, some people say we're all fish. So why you wouldn't want to have a table full of fish is beyond me...

keep in miind, Its not just dealers this law is effecting. Anyone with a gaming license. Slot Techs, Casino Cage etc. So when you really think about it...that alot of employees

Keep the emails coming. Post the link to this thread on your facebook twitter etc

I never responded to this... A dealer has no ability whateosver to eject a player. All a dealer can do is tell a floor person what a player has been doing and a floor person decides how to handle the player.

As much as I might dislike a player, if I lied to a floor person about the actions of a player while in front of 8-9 other witnesses (the rest of the table) who are almost always quite upset if a dealer delays their game without a good reason - it wouldn't end very well for me.

To all Pa poker dealers maybe we should start some kind of informal network to help each other out with players who travel to others rooms At least untill we can play then we can help each other out. My name is Gary aka gjpsr I work at the Meadows, we had 5 players from our room go to Harrahs for their tour. series some also plan on going to Parx when they start. Info on rooms and places to eat and such would be helpfull. If anyone from other parts of the state are coming in to Pittsburgh area for this weeks Steel city classic with Chris Moneymaker Pm me or go to the Meadows thread and I can help with rooms and things . Thanks to all those who sent emails we are all in this industry together.

are dealers able to play yet? I heard June 1st would be the day that dealers can play from a few ppl then others say no you cant