2/5 NL win rate? - Page 7 - Poker Card Room

mp2012 · 08-09-2011, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by icallunoob

with the right games you can definitely achieve 70+ hr imo, and i have.

Stfu no one makes $75/hour playing 2/5 live. I will never believe this unless I see proof

Stee1rz_Fanz · 08-09-2011, 01:59 PM

Seems like a big difference in all these averages are amount of hours played....

Play 40 hours a month at 2/5 averaging +70/hr is possible...
Play 40 hours a week at 2/5 averaging +30/hr is more reasonable....

I Logged 132 hours in July at 2/5 and finished the month at 58/hr but that was thanks to a silly 9 session up streak at the end of the month....

I don't hate on anyone else's average and if your making +70 thats a sick run... for me it has its ups and down.. (August I am averaging less than 20/hr thanks to bad playing and a tilt session...)

PokahBlows · 08-09-2011, 03:27 PM

Threads like this make me lol. All the regs say 70 to a 100/hour winrate is not possible,bs. It depends on your drive and how long you can play on a daily.

Brilliant27 · 08-09-2011, 03:55 PM

People in the last page of this thread are delusional with their 65 dollar an hour winrates

msufan · 08-09-2011, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by mp2012

Stfu no one makes $75/hour playing 2/5 live. I will never believe this unless I see proof

The thing is that we're not talking about the same game. You may be right that no one makes $75/hour playing 2/5 live IN THE GAME YOU PLAY... but games vary. You would absolutely not believe the low level of play out there in some games... I've seen blind straddles to $100, people shoving all-in blind repeatedly because they are on tilt or too rich to care, all ins on gutshots despite a flush draw and a paired board on the flop, people that just like trying to win with 72o so they always play it, people that raise to 10BB every single hand for an hour, people that raise big and never fold everytime they straddle, etc. etc.

JAChristman · 08-09-2011, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Supernova_Elite

you said you started your transition to live play 4 months ago, but your posting you had a $60 average last year implying you played last year, this doesn't really make sense.

I made a lot of money playing online poker, especially playing tournaments before everyone got so darn good. As of March, 2010, I considered myself retired. Despite being retired, I went to various casinos and played $2/3/5 off an on, for recreation, and out of habit, continued to log my data. I only played about 400 hours of live play the entire year and averaged $60/hr.
Four months ago, perhaps out of boredom, perhaps because I missed the competition, I decided to start my poker career all over again, this time taking it very seriously and with the intention of earning my way up the ranks, starting at $2/3/5 NL. I've logged about 675 hours so far and have made $80/hour.
This is the last time I respond in this post. I don't care who believes me or not. I only care about hearing from those who have similar results or greater, so we can learn from each other.

fishmeout · 08-09-2011, 08:15 PM

what game is that? maybe i'll move out there :P

raradevils · 08-09-2011, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Machmood

Here's the thing about playing for a living. First and foremost you have to be an exceptional player and be able to play your best every time you play. I made the mistake of just thinking I can show up and win without any effort and it set me back a few months. Most people aren't good enough and don't have enough discipline. Ok now lets get to how much you can make. Again this all depends on skill level, but I think a good player can log 30 hours a week and make 6k a month. Now 6k isnt a HUDGE amount of money, but don't forget your only working 30 hours a week, and your PLAYING POKER!!!! Ive seen posts like I Cant do it because the game isn't fun anymore. Ok maybe its not as fun as it was before, but who gives a ****. Your working 30 hours a week in an above average work environment. Would you rather be guy who has a 150k in student loans,just got a job making 40k a year, In a country where taxes are being raised, in a job market where he may not see 6 figures for ten years, and hes working 50 hours a week. Im not saying everyone should drop out of college and play poker, but It's a risk that people take in order to have a better future. Its no different then dropping out of college to try and do a internet startup company, or have a great buisness idea and take out loans to make it come true. Some people will fail, some will succeed, and some will squeak bye for a year then reconsider. Its no diff then anything else, unfortunatly alot of young misinformed people think it's really easy, read a few books, go play at a local casino ,have a few good sessions and jump right into it and throw away years of there life also one thing to consider is how much that 72k is really worth. Are you supposed to claim every dollar you make ,yes, but realistically most people don't. If you make 72k and only claim 50k you are now looking at taking home just as much as a 100k a year job. For someone who is 22 and making this kind of money. After a few years of a moderate lifestyle he can have saved enough money to invest in a buisness,real estate, or anything that can bring himn income off the table. So now this 22 year old kid is 30, playing 2/5nl(lets say he never movies up) has a few hundred thousand saved, and has money invested that is also bringing him money in every month

I have the best of both worlds. I do 3-d modeling in the construction industry as my real job (so I go to work and play) making over 100k putting in 40 hours per week. I then go out on weekends that I chose and play poker for fun money (vacations and so forth). I also continue to grind online.

I was self employed/stay at home dad for almost 15 years. I couldn't imagine doing it as a poker player supporting a family.

Once you earn a degree they can never take that away from you.

Captain Ahab · 08-09-2011, 09:53 PM

all these hourly win rates appear to be based on small sample sizes, someone show me an 60-80$ hr winrate with 2500 plus hours over a typical year of poker play. this would be based on a quite conservative average of 50 hours of play each week for a year

srou25 · 08-09-2011, 11:07 PM

I think the big issue when discussing live winrates, that is often overlooked, is that the blind structures (1/2, 2/5, etc.) do not determine the size of the game, or, consequently, what is a realistic sustainable winrate. What is far more important is the typical buy-in, stack size, and bet sizing. A 2/5 game with a $500 max buy-in and lots of shortstackers will play far different than an uncapped game with lots of big spending regs.

In my local game, for example, the max buy-in is $1000 or 100% of the largest stack. Also, the player pool is not really large enough to support both regular 2/5 and 5/10 games. Thus, several wealthy business men and retirees, who could easily afford to play much higher, are instead 2/5 regs. What's more, b/c the regs (for the most part) don't care, most of the dealers are extremely lenient with the max buy-in rule. Essentially, unless some nit complains, the game plays uncapped. It is extremely common for the average stack size in this game to exceed 400bb. And while a 500-600bb average doesn't happen every night, this would not be extremely unusual.

Given these conditions, extremely high winrates are indeed very possible. Though I don't consider myself an especially strong player, my winrate over a modest sample size exceeds what some are touting as the absolute upper limit at these stakes. I'm confident that that top two or three regulars in my room exceed $75/hour.

On the other hand, if your local room plays (what I assume is) a more traditional 2/5, with average stacks around 100bb and rarely exceeding 200bb, some of the exceptional winrates claimed in this thread are likely unattainable (as many have pointed out).

msufan · 08-10-2011, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain Ahab

this would be based on a quite conservative average of 50 hours of play each week for a year

Midnight Cowboy · 08-10-2011, 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by SNGplayer24

doubt anyone can maintain over 50/hr over a reasonable sample(1k+ hours)

Since I began using Poker Journal I've logged 1,013 hrs of 2/5 and my hourly rate has been right at $50. I grind at the Borgata and parx four to five nights per week, and I routinely play with guys who are better than me, so I know I'm not the only one who's doing it.

the first year after I decided to start playing for a living, I averaged closer to $32/hr. In the following year, I improved on that and made $38/hr. Same thing happened in my third year...hourly increased to $42. I've now been doing this for four years. Is it possible to earn more? Well I know I don't play perfectly, so it must be possible. And like I said, there are better players than myself at parx and the borgata.

Midnight Cowboy · 08-10-2011, 04:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain Ahab

all these hourly win rates appear to be based on small sample sizes, someone show me an 60-80$ hr winrate with 2500 plus hours over a typical year of poker play. this would be based on a quite conservative average of 50 hours of play each week for a year

lol @ 50 hours of play each week. the whole reason I play poker for a living is so I don't have to put in 50 hours a week. At $50/hr, I can play 20 hrs per week and make $50,000 for the year, and that suits me just fine.

pineappleAAA · 08-10-2011, 09:39 AM

I like how JAChristman says he keeps track of his results, yet he always says "a few thousand," or "about 675," or whatever random estimations he comes up with. If I had to bet on anyone ITT lying, and I guess there's a chance I'm wrong, it would be him.

JAChristman · 08-10-2011, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by pineappleAAA

I like how JAChristman says he keeps track of his results, yet he always says "a few thousand," or "about 675," or whatever random estimations he comes up with. If I had to bet on anyone ITT lying, and I guess there's a chance I'm wrong, it would be him.

That I use the word 'around' and 'about' doesn't suggest that I am a liar. In this case, I said 'about 675' because I have played more since I first wrote that it was 675. But this doesn't mean I'm not a liar either.

If you want to know if I am lying or not, you should pay attention to the details. Play the it back like a poker hand and see if I'm bluffing or not. First of all, I said I wouldnt respond anymore, and yet here I am responding. Didn't I say I retired from poker last year, yet I still claim to have logged in 1000's of hours in live play, but wait...I also said I only played 400 hours of live play last year.

So yes, I am a liar. Big woop. That's fine. The responses to all of this have been that either a winrate greater than X is not possible, the sample size isn't large enough, or it is possible if the table is bad enough, ect. This is all just meaningless banter. Why is no one asking: if it is possible, how can it be achieved? Stop bickering and go out there and find people who claim a high winrate that you do believe and rather than debate their claims, pick their brains. They know something that you don't and it benefits you to figure out what that is.