I've been wrong before, why not today, too?

$2/$5 NL, flop is out. EP bets $45. LP puts $85 into the pot.

Third player in hand says, "What's the bet? Because it's certainly not $85..."

EP says LP must just call because $85 < $45x2. I say $85 > $45 x 1.5, he has to make a full raise.

Floor is called. Floor tells me, "No, that's a limit rule."

So if a player bets $155, and another player puts out three black chips... that's just a call?

I don't mind being wrong, just would like to hear a 2nd opinion.

Thx.

Floor is wrong. Since the bet is more than 1/2 the bet, the player has to bring it up to $90, the minimum raise in this case, unless the player betting $85 is all in.

There is a 1/2 bet rule for limit but it really only applies when somone is all in for less than a full raise. If their all in bet is 50% or more of the bet, then it's a raise, if it's less than 50% of the bet, it's a call.

http://www.lasvegasvegas.com/poker/chapter13-14.php#14

SECTION 14 - NO LIMIT AND POT-LIMIT

No Limit Rules

11. If a player tries to bet or raise less than the legal minimum and has more chips, the wager must be increased to the proper size. (This does not apply to a player who has unintentionally put too much in to call.) The wager is brought up to the sufficient amount only, no greater size.

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Section 3 Subsection 9 Paragraph 2 Line 6

The floor is NEVER Wrong

Thanx, I thought so. Now if only I had a printer in this hotel room...

Floor shouldn't be involved in this at all. Dealer should be knowledgeable and confident enough to tell LP that 85 is less than the minimum, and he has to put in another 5 to get to the minraise.

Floor's right. The half-bet rule is a limit rule. In NL, an intended raise that's less than the minimum is corrected to a minraise. EP gets a KITN.

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I agree the player must complete the raise.

Not to hijack, but just wanted to clarify one thing:

If they player had just declared "$85" (without saying "raise"), it would just be a call?

I agree as soon as "raise" is uttered, it's 90.

(Had this happened to me when someone bet a bunch of reds, and a single concealed white.)

This is what irked me the most.

a) Dealer is an idiot.
b) Floor is an idiot.
c) EP is an idiot.

d) I'm the only one that knows the rule, but didn't stick to my guns and ask for re-ruling because I didn't want to slow the game down.

This is what I was thinking, while we can all quote the rule as being what it is, the floor still made the call, you can continue to argue it, but it's the floor's call

To be specific:

If a player puts in a raise of 50% or more of the previous bet but less than the minimum raise, he or she will be required to make a full raise.

... whether it's intended or not.

Should $85 not be legal raise. To call was $5 EP raised $40. LP only needs to double the last action which is $40 correct?

This was postflop. First action was 45.

Read the OP again. Floor said it was a call, e.g. $45.

I've seen other floor in other places make the same ruling.

To some of you guys in this thread, good luck telling the floor what the rules are in HIS place.

In Atlantic City there are many places in which this would have been made a call. The 1/2 bet rule applies in limit, but in no-limit, if the player does not state "raise" or throw out at least double the bet, then it would be ruled a call. I've seen this many times at several casinos. Floor might be "an idiot" in Vegas, but would be standard in AC.