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Originally Posted by Mr Shakopee
I heavily disagree with this. You do not have to have entitlement issues to tilt big time, nor are all entitlement issues the result of immaturity. It can be as simple as someone's play changing for the worse to the point where they no longer understand what's really happening.
Hi Mr Shakopee:
Let me point out something here. You're describing tilt because when you say "they no longer understand what's really happening" that's basically the same thing as saying "they have lost the ability to think rationally" which is tilt. But there are other states that marginal players can also enter, and in my book I call these "pseudo tilt" and "searching," where the quality of their play deteriorates.
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I went on a pretty big slide not too long ago and couldn't figure out for the life of me why every single thing seemed to be going wrong. I thought it was just an unreal amount of bad luck, and perhaps at first it was.
And it easily could have been. The short term luck factor and exactly how it works is poorly understood by most poker players.
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Thing is, I was tilting all along for at least a month.
Actually, this is fairly common. In my opinion, and as is explained in
Real Poker Psychology, tilt is mainly a processing problem where your brain gets hung up trying to solve certain issues that you are facing, and with some people this inability of your mind to get off what is troubling you can last for a long time.
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Without realizing it, I was playing alot of hands too fast in such a way that my best hands could really only get action from the nuts... and so they did.
This sounds like "searching" which is when you begin to look for other strategies to improve your results because you're aware that there are some players out there who have much better long term results than you do.
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It wasn't so much that this was unusual as it was that I slowly began playing in such a way that only people who had me killed were willing to play. Thus, I was making no value to balance out the coolers and suckouts. This was not something that was obvious in the moment to me!! If it had been, I simply would've stopped doing it!!
This is an important point. If you knew you what your mistakes were, you wouldn't make them.
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So tilt can be much much deeper and far more subtle than someone realizes. People can tilt out of fear, anxiety, anger, entitlement, and even winning. Many forms of it do not even closely resemble a tantrum.
Now you're sounding like one of these poker mental coaches who will tell you something like this for a high fee. As noted above, there's a good chance you weren't even on tilt but in another state which caused your poor play. Also, if tilt is a processing problem where your brain gets caught in something like an infinite programming loop trying to figure out certain issues that seem virtually impossible to be happening to you, it's not a result of the emotions you list. But rather it's the other way around. The tilt will create the emotions.
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I didn't snap out of it or even realize how far off track I'd gotten until I got a coach. Of course, hindsight is 20/20 and I don't know how I could've been so blind now. Point is, if most people who tilt were aware of it the games would be nearly unbeatable because people would just stop playing like crap.
When you say "coach" is this one of the mental coaches or someone else who helped you improve your understanding of things like strategy, the short term luck factor, and the fact that poker, which is based on probability, can be at times counter intuitive to most people? I suspect it's the latter because once your knowledge improves in these areas, your brain will be able to process more of the difficult things that happen to you at the poker table. And by the way, if you now find yourself chuckling over previous situations which would cause you to tilt, it's an indication that I'm correct -- again see my book.
Best wishes,
Mason