Am I the only one who gets tilted by shortstacks?

They are like cockroaches except I do not have anti roach spray.

I feel like they are on my tables just to piss me off, because I have yet to see a winning shortstacker at <50nl. But kill my hourly because they take the seat of <100bb random player.

They tilt me because I love to learn poker and to play deepstacked and make mistakes to learn from, yet they make it impossible for me.

I do not understand why they can' t play tournaments or sit and go's if they do not want to play turn and rivers but only play based on some spreadsheet which makes them a 1bb/100 winner at best post rake.

Yet I am the one who has to adapt to them, not the other way around. I have to play some nitty style because some 40bb dude will 3bet call 99 and I have to adjust my opening range.

I know this is becoming a rant but I just feel so helpless against them, I made the transformation from tournaments to cash games because I wanted to avoid flipping coins and learn multiple street poker but whenever I join a cash table within 15 minutes half the tables is filled with these guys.

Just hate it nothing can and will be done about it. Just don' t understand why pokerrooms do not have 100bb (or more) min as a standard.

maybe if I understand why they are allowed to play that way I can accept it, whether I like it or not. But now I just get extremely mad when I have to quit my sessions because I am forced to play a tournamentstyle cash game.


-What is the motivation for a shortstack to play short yet hardly make a profit?
-What is the motivation for pokerrooms to not raise the standard min buyin to (atleast) 100bb?

Now I have to relearn how to play shortstacked poker, which was the main reason I quit playing sng/ tournaments.

(sorry if this does not belong here and has no discussion value whatsoever, at the moment I am a bit emotional because I was really looking forward to play a session but forgot that it is shortstackhour from 5pm to 7pm and had to quit)

my friend is a pro short stacker who has made 200k+

great contribution, tool.


OP

sounds like your playing somewhere infested with shorties, maybe try switching up games or something if theres just too many, or try to be more specific in table selection to avoid them if possible. I usually dont mind 1 or 2 at FR as 99% of shortstackers below 50nl are complete nits or fish and are easy to play/stack.

but if you have to play vs them just remember that it is not personal, and they arent out to get you specifically, just play the player and move on, and leave the table if too many come, its the most you can do.

Get over it. That about sums it up. Why? Because every endeavor that you partake in is going to have it's challenge's, some big, some small, and either you are going to whine and complain, make excuses, and decide that you are going to blame things that are out of your control for your failure (are you looking for an excuse for failing? Trust me, I've experienced this, and all excuses are bs) or you are going to perservere and make the decision that you will overcome this obstacle?

Honestly, I believe that many people are looking for something to blame in case they fail. I've done it, I've seen other people do it. It's kind of pathetic actually. So now that you realize it, perhaps you can do something about it, like tough it out and focus on the times when you aren't up against a short stacker, or better yet, take this opportunity to figure out how to destroy the shorties.

Err. Either you love to "learn poker" and should welcome the challenge, or you should just be honest with yourself and admit that new situations, for some reason, ANGER YOU.

Haven't been on Stars lately but pretty sure they still have 100bb tables? Other than that, table selection bro.

B Champman: thank you for the response. Yes I do table select but having to close tables because two shortstacks enter the table is just annoying.


okayokayit'snotok: You are 100% right, and 10 minutes after I quit playing I am saying the same thing to myself. However, when ingame I act like a spoiled child and whine when things do not go my way. Something I struggle with for whole my life. I really dislike that person yet I am unable to control it.

Weaselgirl: I have always had this idea that tournament poker = shortstacked poker and cashgame poker = deeper stacked poker. Just a philosophy that is encrypted in my mind believing this is how it is supposed to be. So whenever a shorty enters my tables, I feel like he doesn' t belong there. Which is apparently the wrong kind of thinking resulting in me getting angry.

Thanks all for your great posts and let' s hope I won' t be making any whiny rants in the future, which would mean I made steps in my mental game.

I find shortstackers easiest to play against.

Why can't you just post some hands against shortstackers? Your probably playing awful against them.

I think the best thing to do is play shortstacking for 1,000 hands. There is a good spreadsheet on pokerstratergy http://resources.pokerstrategy.com/S...dout_V3_en.pdf

I think if you play as a shortstacker and look to see how players adjust to beat you, then you will have a better idea of the weaknesses of shortstacking and the strengths. Certainly, shortstacking does have it's advantage as you get people like you who can't adjust to them.

Simplicity:

The problem is not I am unable to beat them, but the way for me to beat them is to play a certain style of poker I enjoy less in comparison to >100bb poker. But yes, my winrate against >50bb players is better than <50bb players, because villains can make more mistakes with deeper stacks.

You are right, most of them are easy to play against.

It is like participating in a free fight, only to find out you are only allowed to use the back of your hand and nothing else. Yes you can still win, but it not what you came for.

As for the 1000 hands as a shortstacker myself: I won't need to do that. When playing against a shortstacker it means I am a shortstacker myself because the effective stacks are low.

And ofcourse I have some leaks and can always play better against them, especially when multitabling on autopilot, when I sometimes overlook stacksizes behind me and make a mistake of opening too light or too big when a shortstack is behind me.

I just enjoy playing with deeper effective stacks, that' s basically it.

i hate them as well, fortunately on stars they have deep ante cash games where the min buyin is 100bb. play there if you can?

Love those, play them occassionaly.

Only do not run very often and are not fast tables. Thx for the heads up though.

On party whenever you won a hand you had the option that balloons would come out of the air with an applause sound. I remember turning it off instantly but would love that feature when stacking a shortstack.