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Old 10-26-2016, 08:42 AM   #76
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Re: Is tilt really fixable?

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For someone who suffers from severe gambling tilt (addiction) it's kind of interesting to read this bull**** about tilt being remedied by concentrating on becoming more expert at the game.
Gambling addiction and tilt are not the same thing.
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Old 10-26-2016, 09:02 AM   #77
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Gambling addiction and tilt are not the same thing.

He has a point though they are closely related In the sense that both people act irrational and wouldn't normal make those choices if they were emotionally stable. You often hear people talk about tilt as if it's a lack of control similar to addiction.



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Old 10-26-2016, 01:42 PM   #78
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Re: Is tilt really fixable?

Tilt is not a clinical condition that in many instances impacts a person's ability to function normally throughout their lives.

There are always exceptions, but by far the biggest predictor of tilt is (lack of) poker ability.
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Old 10-27-2016, 08:37 AM   #79
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Gambling addiction and tilt are not the same thing.
I agree insofar as the word tilt covers a wider spectrum of issues than gambling addiction does. For example, smashing a computer screen due to "anger tilt" doesn't necessarily mean a person is a gambling addict. It just means they're pissed.
But there is a lot of behaviour that is labelled tilt that could also be viewed as symptoms of gambling addiction. Chasing losses, irrational betting or poor/non-existent BR management.
Lately the word tilt has encompassed pretty much any and all flaws in someone's poker and a lot of those flaws are symptoms of degenerate gambling.
When I said that this generation is calling tilt, what my generation called gambling addiction, I was specifically referring to the use of the word tilt when talking of those symptoms. I took the op's use of the word tilt in that concept as well, mistakenly perhaps.
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Old 10-27-2016, 12:21 PM   #80
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But there is a lot of behaviour that is labelled tilt that could also be viewed as symptoms of gambling addiction. Chasing losses, irrational betting or poor/non-existent BR management.
Actually, there are very few. Of those you have listed, only one could be considered a symptom of gambling addiction according to the DSM-5.

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Old 10-27-2016, 04:56 PM   #81
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I agree insofar as the word tilt covers a wider spectrum of issues than gambling addiction does. For example, smashing a computer screen due to "anger tilt" doesn't necessarily mean a person is a gambling addict. It just means they're pissed.
But there is a lot of behaviour that is labelled tilt that could also be viewed as symptoms of gambling addiction. Chasing losses, irrational betting or poor/non-existent BR management.
Lately the word tilt has encompassed pretty much any and all flaws in someone's poker and a lot of those flaws are symptoms of degenerate gambling.
When I said that this generation is calling tilt, what my generation called gambling addiction, I was specifically referring to the use of the word tilt when talking of those symptoms. I took the op's use of the word tilt in that concept as well, mistakenly perhaps.
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Old 11-09-2016, 07:58 AM   #82
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Re: Is tilt really fixable?

Fixing tilt is based on the person.

Some people are just degens by nature and aren't ready to change.
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Old 11-10-2016, 05:30 AM   #83
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Life will expose your achilles heel ... often in the arena of the shadow, which is to say in the realm of the disowned self. It is how we choose to deal with that that leads to great successes and great tragedies for human beings. The two choices are "awareness" or "unawareness" of the nature of the weakness, both of what and where it is. That may be our only fundamental choice in a primarily mechanistic universe - the choice to see or obviate sight, to focus consciousness or to blank out. Rationality is not so much about being smart but about being aware, and being willing to be aware. That's our ultimate hand to play and it comes with treacherous potentials. The gambling world is a particularly dramatic and volatile medium of this principle and control is not given to the self-blind.
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Old 01-03-2017, 09:31 PM   #84
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Hi Synchronic:

Why will calmness help with tilt? If your brain can't process certain information that gets presented to it in the form of a logic disconnect, how will being calm allow you to do something that you're not capable of doing?

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Because your view, and definition, of tilt is wrong. And you seem to be attributing capabilities to calmness that proponents aren't making.
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Old 01-04-2017, 05:46 AM   #85
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Because your view, and definition, of tilt is wrong. And you seem to be attributing capabilities to calmness that proponents aren't making.
Elsewhere you recommend turning to Tendler, presumably because his definition is right? What qualifies Tendler to define it? How do I know he's right?
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Old 01-14-2017, 08:06 PM   #86
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Re: Is tilt really fixable?

I used to tilt like crazy. The best I've found on tilt material is the book "The Poker Mindset" but Ian something. It's nothing groundbreaking it but lays out the realities of poker, which ones you understand these, tilt should be reduced. Much of tilt comes from our reaction to something, in which we expected a different result. The best thing that I've done for tilt is understanding the long term by zooming out and seeing the big picture. No longer is a session a session. A session is just a small piece of the bigger picture. The best you can do is make the best decision possible and don't worry about the outcome. Therefore, whenever I raise, call, fold, etc I focus on whether that was the best decision and I move on, I could care less about the outcome as I know it doesn't matter short term. It'll help if you decide to do this for something like 10k hands or something and you'll be surprised to see the probability of consecutive losing sessions is very low, assuming you're a winning player.
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Old 01-15-2017, 01:00 AM   #87
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I used to tilt like crazy. The best I've found on tilt material is the book "The Poker Mindset" but Ian something. It's nothing groundbreaking it but lays out the realities of poker, which ones you understand these, tilt should be reduced. Much of tilt comes from our reaction to something, in which we expected a different result. The best thing that I've done for tilt is understanding the long term by zooming out and seeing the big picture. No longer is a session a session. A session is just a small piece of the bigger picture. The best you can do is make the best decision possible and don't worry about the outcome. Therefore, whenever I raise, call, fold, etc I focus on whether that was the best decision and I move on, I could care less about the outcome as I know it doesn't matter short term. It'll help if you decide to do this for something like 10k hands or something and you'll be surprised to see the probability of consecutive losing sessions is very low, assuming you're a winning player.
Hi StaYSMacKed:

This is actually similar to what I say. Once your understanding of all things poker is strong, and this includes strategy, the short-term luck factor, and the idea that games like poker, which are based on probability theory, can be counterintuitive, troubling information that the game presents to you will now be processed by your mind (when they weren't before) and your tilt issues should improve dramatically.

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Old 01-19-2017, 07:28 AM   #88
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"You see, gentlemen, reason is an excellent thing, there's no disputing that, but reason is nothing but reason and only satisfies the rational part of man's nature, while (behavior) is a manifestation of the whole, that is of the whole human being including reason and all the impulses. ... Consciousness, for instance, is infinitely more complex than twice two makes four." -- Fyodor Dostoevsky
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Old 05-13-2017, 02:57 AM   #89
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Tilt is fixable in the sense that you always have a choice to how you react to situations. Tilt is not a disease that plagues the mind your fully in control of what you choose to do. Don't take poker so serious


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If people are aware that tilt often leads to -EV play then why do they choose to tilt?
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