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psychologist and poker players? psychologist and poker players?

07-15-2015 , 01:35 PM
Wonder if psychologist or people that have a training in this field do have some sort of advantage in learning the game or play better in some way. I know that poker and psychology are separated as both work with different knowledge(and if you put a top psychologist first time at the table he plays fishy)but can it be that psychologist master tilt quicker or learn the game faster because their power of insight is better?

Do you know people who work as psychologist and play at the same time and what are their thoughts On the game. They have to be just a little more analitical in their thinking and this trait can result in a quicker way of fixing leaks in the game by trial and error.
Just a thought......
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07-16-2015 , 07:24 AM
imho, understanding, saying/teaching and doing are three different things. Just how someone may understand what he should do but doesn't actually do it. Its quite common actually.

But certainly some areas of poker would be easier for them to overcome just how it would be for a mathematican.

Interesting thought.
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07-16-2015 , 01:22 PM
Tells don't come around every hand, but when they do, they're quite profitable whether you're a psychologist or not.

Since they don't come around often, the cards and action will dictate 95%+ of your play. You could be the best psychologist in the world but if you don't have the poker skill to get you through that 95% then you will fail.
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07-16-2015 , 06:46 PM
Being a good psychological profiler is essential in live poker and clearly some psychology study will help, but to be a good profiler you don't have to be a Ph.D, imo.
While a trained psychologist might have a bit of an edge on the mental side of things he might be lacking in other areas, like risk aversion, street smarts, IQ, math&probability and other important traits needed for succesfull poker career.

It seems to me that to make millions in poker and to stay succesfful for years or even decades there's a perfect storm of abilities, character traits, skills, luck and rungood needed.
That's why there are so few of them.
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07-18-2015 , 01:13 PM
Dono how it matters live as oposed to online since you don't need psychology studies to observe a hand shaking or facial tic psychology deals with deeper concepts.

But I think tilt issues are more faster to overcome since its basically the same as solving a mental disorder. Finding the main issue for the behaivor buried in that posible cloud of confusion since the conscious mind is trying to defend itself and functions with some natural biases. Then it changes the irration thoughts with rational thought and makes Them more realistic and adaptative for the conflict to dissapear( don't know how this makes some sense since I speak for a psychologist without actualy being one). Not to say that they don't tilt but fix it more fast....maby

Also playing their A game more often.which imo is playing with maximum focus and the maximum use of that info to build a decision. All this with a strain on the brain not supernatural but more than b game. Anf that at cost lot of energy. Since they should be so in tune with the mechanism of mental processes They should recognize their own mental states and have a better control over them as in getting in the right zone more often. Maby

Or playing and finding one improvement you could make to your overall game like 3beting light regulars when you se they like to fold. This realisation comes more faster or finding the heart to implement faster the newly play learned.

Not trying to make of them like merlin or such but just a slight better adjusting to surroundings. Does that guy Jared tendler even play poker is he any good?..just know basic stuff from him via Google heard he deals with this kind of stuff.
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07-25-2015 , 06:15 PM
I think the simple answer is yes. I'm a decent poker player and also have an MSc in Psychology. For me personally, I have an implicit understanding of what's going on in my own head and can make quick fixes before anything really becomes an issue. I'm not really a live player, but generally i can gauge where people are coming from so i'd be surprised if it didn't help live, although I think it would be a greater benefit over 2-3 sessions playing with the same people than on individual hands, where i'm not sure psychology would give you any edge.

However, there is a discrepancy between having strong theoretical knowledge and being able to apply it. One of the smartest girls on my MSc sucked at life (borderline eating disorder, constantly compared herself to others, self-handicapped, etc, etc).
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07-26-2015 , 05:24 AM
What is " msc"?
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07-26-2015 , 07:22 AM
Master of Science - Masters level degree.
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07-26-2015 , 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Elrazor
I think the simple answer is yes. I'm a decent poker player and also have an MSc in Psychology. For me personally, I have an implicit understanding of what's going on in my own head and can make quick fixes before anything really becomes an issue. I'm not really a live player, but generally i can gauge where people are coming from so i'd be surprised if it didn't help live, although I think it would be a greater benefit over 2-3 sessions playing with the same people than on individual hands, where i'm not sure psychology would give you any edge.

However, there is a discrepancy between having strong theoretical knowledge and being able to apply it. One of the smartest girls on my MSc sucked at life (borderline eating disorder, constantly compared herself to others, self-handicapped, etc, etc).
I am going to assume you don't mean "handicap" in the physical sense. That is beyond anything I have ever heard of if she self amputated a limb.

Edit - Just found Body Integrity Identity disorder through Google, mind is blown.
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07-26-2015 , 10:06 AM
Hehe no - self-handicapping is when someone self-reports an impairment to performance - either before or after the event.

So examples are when someone reports feeling ill before an exam, or an athlete blaming a poor performance on an injury. Usually the impairment doesn't actually exist, or would not significantly affect performance.

A more serious form of self-handicapping is when people actually perform a behaviour that will impair performance. So going out till late and getting drunk before an important exam or race would be a decent example.
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07-27-2015 , 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Elrazor
Master of Science - Masters level degree.
v nice.guessing it took some work to get there. must be popular with the ladys....they love that kind of stuff. statuses :P

interesting view from a person that actually knows someting about psychology.
maby when you try pushing for PhD you do something in relation with poker. there must be some hypotheses that can be form from this , there arrent many studies about the brain of a online grinder, at least not to my knowlege.
PhD equals more ladys also :P

body integrity disorder is indeed mind blowing. i didnt need to find that out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xujgH_C2q8

Last edited by StarDust18; 07-27-2015 at 12:05 PM.
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