Im there to take your manies , I could careless who the **** you are.

+1

OP your point is flawed from the start because you assume these traits are bad. Bad for whom? You, them, poker? What's the downside that you see to your conclusion about them?

In my experience, the things that people have trouble with in others, is often what they themselves have trouble handling. It's like a player who hates getting constantly 3-bet. Often they don't like it because they don't know how to properly defend or exploit it.

These traits in and of themselves aren't bad, but I wonder if they're bad for you game - are you struggling to play well surrounded by these players. If so, knowing how to keep playing well amongst them is the real solution to your conclusion.

I see examples of what OP described everywhere, but I think these people are drawn to poker bc they already are this way. Maybe poker exacerbates their social problems to some degree, but poker isn't going to take someone with a bright sunny disposition, humility and empathy for others and twist him into a sociopath. It's a card game.

Pro tip: When fellating oneself over one's perceived brilliance, make sure to avoid mistakes that will paint one as dumber than a 4th grader.

I am not saying that EVERYONE has this problem.

I am NOT saying that everyone has this problem.

These both read differently, I think you used the wrong one.

It isn't a disorder. It's called being a jerkoff.

There is a not insignificant percentage of people in this world who are jerkoffs. This subset of people is marginally over-represented at poker tables everywhere. This is not news.

Then why is there an NVG thread about it, smart guy?

If you've ever been to BBV then you know this disorder actually does exist.

Hey Jared... thanks for the comment, I enjoy your articles and blogs

I agree with one of your points. I do get intimidated, frustrated, and angry when I'm surrounded by a group of "regulars" who all laugh when I lose a pot, act like jerks, and smile at each other as if to say, "thank the lord that this donkey sat at OUR table"..

Yes, this may reflect a flaw in my own ability to handle these situations. It feels like the entire table is colluding against me, at least psychologically.

However, I do think that most of the traits I mentioned are negative. The downside is that they turn people into cold human beings that don't just enjoy winning, they are sadistic about it.

There is a dignified and polite way to play the game without displaying these traits, do you not agree?

pretty frightening just how accurate this list is

great post OP

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Weed can be a gateway drug for some people...

He was ban but now he is unban.

That's cool RB, glad to know you're a fan - and that my comments about your struggles handling them hit home. If you ever want some feedback, post in the psych forum, I've been posting more there recently.

I do agree that the traits you mention can be negative, but if you don't looking closer at the reason a particular person developed these traits, you'll miss the fact that for them, sometimes they can be positive. I know it sounds weird, but repressing emotions for example, can be really healthy when that person lacks the ability to deal with those emotions in a healthy way.

A lot of people, including many in psychology believe that personality is fixed. I don't. So when you say that some people are sadistic about winning, there's an assumption that they always will be this way. For many of them they will, but it's because they believe that's their best way to win. If there comes a time where it stops being profitable, perhaps they'll be motivated to use another strategy. Ultimately, it's not something you or anyone else has control of - you can only control how you respond.

You sound like a nice, sincere guy, and if you want poker to be different, it starts with improving how you handle these players. Take it as a challenge. If you improve how you handle it, expect them these traits to get even worse - as they'll see it as a challenge to get under your skin. Ultimately, doing so will make you a stronger player.

There's definitely is a dignified and polite way to play, but that's the beauty of freedom. As long as you're playing within the rules, how you play is up to you and you alone. If you want to make the game friendlier, and less sadistic, the only way you'll be in a position to do that is to prove that your way is more profitable. To you, and many other players, profit isn't everything - there's a lot more that you value. But to some, profiting is all that matters, and that's their choice.

Sorry for teh typo. Actually I was literally standing over my perceived brilliance, looking down at it as I fellated myself, over it, and I forgot to avoid some mistakes, which then grabbed paint brushes and painted me with weird mixed metaphors involving fellatio, paint and the 4th grade. Now that I've been painted as "dumber than a 4th grader", I can only try to make sure I avoid such mistakes that might paint me in the future.