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Old 07-28-2012, 07:12 PM   #16
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Re: The Poker Journal Pledge, Are you In?

As an example, submission for critique, or just extra motivation for those who are on the fence about starting a poker journal... here's my first entry.

7/28/12 Poker Journal entry #1

Pre-Game: Won big 2 sessions ago ($230), won small last session ($50). $1/$2 NLHE is currently the only game I play and the highest stakes around (without driving 90 minutes each way).

Things to remember - if I under-rep my hand, then call more on the river. If I've over-repped my hand, fold more often. Let the game come to me. Wait for ideal spots rather than forcing the action. Try to retain my TAG image while throwing a few non-TAG or non-standard plays into my game, but without trying to get too fancy.

Watched season 1, episode 1 of Poker After Dark this morning before leaving the house. Very passive, but I guess that was before Tom Dwan.

Don't want my first 3-bet to be with AA, KK, or QQ.

Showed up around 2:00pm. I was 2nd to arrive. So far, straight-forward passive player and car salesman LAG in his mid 40's who I have a lot of history with. We both have mutual respect for each other's game, even though we're on different ends of the tight/loose perspective.

If I open and get 3-bet with a solid, non-dominated hand like JT suited or 87 suited, or 99, don't be afraid to call... depending on right opponent.

Plan is to play 2 or 3 hours and leave $200 up.

Don't try to push people off their hands too hard, especially those who won't give up. No need to bluff $50 when $40 will do. Continuation bet 90% of the time versus 1 or 2 opponents.

Short-handed play. Down $20. Would have been down more, but I was able to get LAG car salesman to fold after going all-in on a blank turn. I had an open-ended straight draw. He had top pair and a back door flush draw.

Like in war, there's a tendency for everything but instinct to go out the window once the fighting starts. Training must be ingrained in the player/soldier or else all is lost.

Now we're 6-handed.

Rather than limp on the button with my weaker playable hands like Q8o, I elect to fold more often, so when I raise or 3-bet in position, I'll get more respect/fear.

Realized this is turning into an action game. Lots of players trying to out-play each other post-flop. More pre-flop calls than usual with plans to take it away post-flop.

Waiting for the goods or a great spot to make a move.

Over limped with 22 in Hi-jack seat. Flopped quads, 2 diamonds and a Jack. Bet, raise, both short-stacks. I put them all-in. One call with the nut flush draw, the other was LAG car salesman. He folded his Jack because he knew I had the goods.

Two pair versus straight on river. I had two pair and position. I didn't raise, luckily. This is versus quiet semi-solid douche. Why is he a douche? Because he plays fairly well, but mechanically. No heart.

JJ, I make standard short-handed raise to $7 in position. Get 1 caller - semi-solid douche. King high flop. He bet the flop. I called. We both checked the turn. I make a set of Jacks on the river, but that brings 3 clubs on the board. He bets out. I just call, even though I think about raising. He has the nut flush.

Down about $50 at this point.

raising my decent hands on the button and Cut-off. Usually taking it down with a c-bet.

A bit later, I get KQ. I raise. 1 caller. Flop comes Ace high. Check/check. Caught my King on the turn. Value be the river for $10, got raised $15 more by car salesman. "Really?" I ask. "Yeah." He says. I fold. He shows me a baby flush.

Down about $60.

5-handed, KQ on the button. 1 limper. I raise to $7. 3 callers. AQT. I c-bet $15 and get 3 folds. The last guy almost called with a Ten.

On button with J9. Flopped a flush - loose, sometimes aggressive player bets a little on the flop and turn. I call both streets. River is another . Check/check. I win.

Down about $30.

Just realized JJ and AK (once or twice) are my best hands so far today. Weird. Never mind, had KK once, too.

Check-raised river versus car salesman on ultra dirty board. Paired flop, 4 to straight and flush by the river. He bet $5 the whole way. I made it $20 more on the river and he folded, said "I let you get there."

Down less than $15 now.

Car salesman straddles (which he does about 1/3 the time), new player calls. Have AK I raise to $15. Get 2 callers. Flop comes Ten high with 2 . I bet out $35 or $40. Car salesman makes it an even $100. New player folds. I go all-in for my last $70 more to him. He takes off his sunglasses and considers the action. Takes a little while, but he folds.

I tell him my hand. He says he had a Ten and rabbit-hunts the results (this is an e-table and it only costs a quarter to see what the turn and river would have been.) Tells me that I would have caught my Ace on the river.

Very next hand, get QQ. I open raise to $10. Only the BB calls. Flop comes King high. Check/check. A Jack on the turn. I bet out about $10. He calls. River is a blank. He bets out $5. Probably should have raised, but those cooler hands from earlier in the session were still haunting me a little. I call and win the pot. He had AQ.

Up $123 and leave at 5:00pm. Not an easy table, as per usual. I put a dollar in the poker room tip jar on my way out, as usual when I leave with more money than I had upon entering.

Post-Game: I feel pretty good about the session and the way I played. Don't think I could have gotten away from my 2 pair or set of Jacks, but glad I didn't sneak a thin-value bet in there. To be honest, I don't think semi-solid douche has it in him. Remember to fold to his river bets when I have a weak hand, unless I see new information.

Didn't 3-bet much, but glad I check-raise bluffed the river in that one hand.

My only regret is when it was 4-handed and I flopped top pair along with an open-ended straight draw. Car salesman bet, old aggressive guy called. I had them covered, both were fairly short-stacked. I should have pushed all-in. Car salesman won the hand with 2nd pair. I actually would have made a boat on the river, too. But even without that, my hand was best probably 90% of the time in that spot.

Got to play 3 times this week. Can't argue with that. Going to keep up with the poker journal. Thanks for reading.

Hey, dgiharris, if you ever want a poker blog co-pilot, just let me know.


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Old 08-01-2012, 02:00 AM   #17
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Re: The Poker Journal Pledge, Are you In?

@dgiharris
I am assuming we can start dumping our poker journals in this chain of posts you started?
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Old 08-01-2012, 02:03 AM   #18
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@Darrick,

Thank you very much for sharing your post/journal as it has inspired me to start own after being on the fence on it for a while.

ps:-this is Loki replying back to you here.
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Old 08-02-2012, 09:13 PM   #19
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I'm in.

Have to admit, DGI is probably the best and most helpful poster around.
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Old 08-02-2012, 09:20 PM   #20
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This is a positive input for sure, thanks for advices, I think I'm gonna write down also strategy or HHs that I have studied during each day
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Old 08-02-2012, 09:28 PM   #21
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Re: The Poker Journal Pledge, Are you In?

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@Darrick,

Thank you very much for sharing your post/journal as it has inspired me to start own after being on the fence on it for a while.

ps:-this is Loki replying back to you here.
Your welcome.

So far, I have three journal entries. What I thought was "going over key hands" in my head on the drive home is pretty small potatoes next to taking notes directly after the hand is over. Additionally, I was able to make a few observations about various opponents which I used later in the session. Awesome.

One guy directly asked about what I was doing. I told him the truth - that I have a hard time remembering exactly what happened in big hands after the game was over. He nodded.

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Old 09-10-2012, 04:22 AM   #22
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Re: The Poker Journal Pledge, Are you In?

OP the we and our stuff is kinda freaking creepy. it just sounds so weird when you are stroking your own ego and referring to yourself as "WE are so good. OUR read was spot on. WE should have know better. WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE need to get a life.
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Old 09-10-2012, 04:29 AM   #23
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Re: The Poker Journal Pledge, Are you In?

This post is to take me from 666 posts to 667 posts so I can go to bed and not have nightmares.
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Old 09-10-2012, 05:44 AM   #24
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Re: The Poker Journal Pledge, Are you In?

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I mention my poker journal all the time and thought why not start a thread on it.

In a nutshell, after ever session, I write down the key hands in my poker journal. I also write down any mistakes I made, how I was feeling, etc. etc.

The journal has been instrumental in helping me ID positive trends and negative trends as well as QUANTIFYING just how good or bad things are.

In my journal, I also have a list of rules, a dos and don'ts list, a preflight checklist before I start a session, notes to myself I read during a session (during my breaks) and a section of general poker related ponderings that I read on occassion.

I start each journal with my Bankroll before and after the session, whether I played a tourney that day or not, and the games I played.

I then talk about how I 'felt' prior to the session. Then I get into the session: I rate my play on a scale of 1 - 10, also discuss a few key hands, great plays and bad plays, how long I played, cashing out, etc. etc. Each entry is between 1 - 3 pages.

My journal is a typical journal book that fits in my coat pocket and then when I get home, I transcribe it into the computer. I plan to turn it into a blog next year...

Anyways, I can't tell you how great this has been for my play.

So thought I'd start a thread and see if I can't convince you all to start a Poker Journal.

If you think this is a good idea and are game, reply and take the pledge.
I already do this, after reading Jared Tendlers book i thought it would be a good idea. I pretty much write down exactly as you describe.

I can testify that this works wonders for your mental stability. If i take any coolers i make a quick note of them so at the end of the session i can say "well i dropped 4 buyins, 3 were coolers, one was a bad play" for example.

Do it!
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Old 09-14-2012, 02:19 PM   #25
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Re: The Poker Journal Pledge, Are you In?

I started doing this over a year ago. I take rough notes while I'm playing, and then convert those notes to complete sentences and paragraphs afterwards. When appropriate, I also include any hand analysis or PokerStove calculations.

For all my all-ins, I calculate my EV and keep track of how far above or below expected value each result is. It makes it easier to do end-of-year tallies, both in terms of actual cash and Sklansky bucks.
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Old 09-18-2012, 11:07 AM   #26
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I'm in. Got my book ready
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Old 09-20-2012, 10:59 AM   #27
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I'm going to start doing this the next time I play. Signed up to Evernote so I can type the journal into my phone and they sync up to my computer. I'm actually quite excited about doing it
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Old 09-21-2012, 08:25 PM   #28
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Yeah I'm in too. Taking a break from playing for the remainder of the year. But when I start again I will track sessions.
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Old 04-22-2013, 08:43 PM   #29
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well after reading a least 50 of these forum/advice/ history / chats today my head is spinning iam new and not very good ev player in fact --well i won't bore you with that just a bad player trying to break even
you are right "dgiharris" its all hard work-- is going to pay off ---------someday!!
but old dogs learn very slowly and right now i need to play a cheap sluttly tourney just clear my head and to wrap around most of the stuff i read in this blog and many others i have read today
starting a journal sounds good -even the blog - continuing writing as you play thing is good even with only one hand and one finger typing
i guess slow is the way for me -one thing at a time -still trying to figure out how to post a hand to this site still can't get it yet
but at least i don't go all in with king queen off anymore in 3rd postion
i will at least try to post a comment everyday on a hand i am confused about that was posted by someone else-- most times the answers from the other posters always sound great --- but hind sight is always 20/20 and after 10 hours of play and reading posts- even the right answers that are given to a said problem sound suspect
but i will try to continue on with this new daily work ethic maybe like today i came 41/360 51/360 67/360 36 pd spots--- better today than yesterday 101/360 99/360 152/360 359/360
will continue to follow you get that blog going will you dgiharris!!!
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Old 04-23-2013, 03:23 AM   #30
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Re: The Poker Journal Pledge, Are you In?

I love the poker income app on my phone. I used to not accurately track but now I do. I don't take notes though, that's what my goal thread is kind of.

Dgi what kind of phone do you have?
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