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03-27-2012, 09:58 AM
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Re: The only thing I care about is money
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Originally Posted by L wanderer
Op you need to learn a few things. Money is worthless in the grand scheme of things, does it make the journey more comfortable sure, does it make your life better not really. Money can not make your life better, just because people have money does mean their life is perfect. You have to be the one to want to improve your life, you most have the drive and the initiative to improve yourself and your situation You have to learn that the simple things in life are what make it special. Everyone goes through things in life and its up to you to figure out how to do it.
Me personally a garden, do martial arts, play poker, hang w friends and could not be happier thats all i really need.
Find your passion op GL 
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Why do people money is worthless, but yet have a death grip around it? I mean if it so worthless, let go, and drift it my direction.
So the Highlight of my life is the ability to choose what toothpaste I use, or what flowers I plant in my garden, its not worth it, working 5 days a week for that its not worth it.
Of course it makes your life better.
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03-27-2012, 12:23 PM
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enthusiast
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: BC, Canada
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Re: The only thing I care about is money
It seems like you have a decent foundation to be a very calm and balanced person, but you've veered off the path in a couple ways.
I've had problems in the past as well, and I do not recommend professional help in any way unless you're a complete mess and you just need someone to listen. If you have a complex mind or problem in any way, they just realize that they are not up to par with what needs to be said and done to fix you and they stop trying to help once they realize that. I think you get the same types of responses in counselling as I do. eventually the sessions turn into a game that I'm playing with them and they know they're on the losing side...
On the upside, in Buddhism, it is taught to not create a craving towards things you enjoy, and to not create aversion towards things you do not enjoy. So far you're doing well with this  Or at least that is what you seem to be saying, is that you do not react negatively or positively to much, other than money. Is this true, or is this just on the surface level and you are just not responding to your emotional reactions within your body?
You need to find happiness without money, or you still won't be happy when you have money. It's the craving of money that you are attached to, not having money itself. Once you get some money, you'll just want more money, and that cycle won't stop unless you change your mind.
I feel like I'm saying this in too many threads, but try reading the Power of Now by Eckhart Tolle, it's a good start to changing how you view things to be happy with how things are right now instead of judging your life situation based on how you want things to be.
Last edited by Mike Haven; 03-27-2012 at 01:57 PM.
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03-27-2012, 12:56 PM
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grinder
Join Date: Sep 2011
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Re: The only thing I care about is money
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Originally Posted by Mr Muck McFold
I have seen professional help twice and in both occasions I left disappointed. I felt as though they either didnt want to help or that they couldnt help, and it came across that someone has to be on the brink of suicide before they act.
I am paraphrasing here but basically he said "All your really saying is that you need more money, and that life hards, I cant help you" and then we ended the conversation, shook his hand and walked out. My problems are not going to be about, "My dad died from cancer, how do I get over it" or "I have problems with my wife" etc...He also said that my problem was unusual, he said that he doesnt see many people in the clinic with depression who have a job, in fact he said that I am only the second person to have job that he has seen out 40 other people. He went on to say that it was the first time he heard somone say "What has the world to offer me".
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depending on where you live, you gotta have more than 2 professionals.
I agree that it is in general pretty hard to get an appointment, however it is worth the hassle and important, unless you like feeling how you feel when nothing really matters, everything seems grey and distant, behind a curtain that seperates you from the outside world. 'oh look those stupid happy people outside there in their colourful world. such simpletons and yet, I remember how once I used to laugh too.....'
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Originally Posted by Mr Muck McFold
Sometimes I get "feelings" but so what.........I dont act on them, so if the next time I get angry can a punch that person in the face....wait I hear you say NO! but thought you guys say act on your emotions, oh..nevermind then.
I guess I am depressed, (but dont call it that, I say I am indifferent to everything) if something negative happens I just deal with it and move on, if something positive happens...hardly notice it because that positive thing is small and insignificant. For example you work hard all day long (negative) and come to dirty house which you clean (negative) then you have a beer or choc. cake or whatever (positive).
For me the reward of going through all those negatives is not worth it.
I see no need for emotions or to even use them. Logic and reason are good tools, I cant act on impluse where would they lead me? Where and even how do you draw the line between acting on certain emotions like love over anger.......you are starting at arbitrary point........its just subjective.......doesnt even make sense!
Oh...you want the best outcome to a situation well thats easy, its that EV thing I was yapping on about, please show where emotions come into that equation....oh right its about what you value.....oh you value emotions...why? Do you value anger?......of course not......oh its just the the good emotions like love.......why?............oh because that produces the best outcome.......you mean EV?
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not sure whether you meant me specifically (as I haven't said any of those things) or the general you, however these are my 2c on that:
It doesn't matter if you call your depression 'depression' or 'cheesecakestuffedwithhotdogs'. Ignoring it however, will only make it worse.
why is worse bad? well you can go and exist quite a long while without going through real emotions, without experiencing or aiming for happiness. It is a downward spiral though. You might just not feel happy or angry most of the time, then you seriously don't feel anything, that somehow the lack of feelings transforms into a new feeling, which you feel tenfold: a feeling of loss and pain, meaninglessness and disconnection. Does that sound very appealing to you?
even in the unlikely case that it wouldn't come to that if you don't actively change something and you don't get into the negative pit, let's have a look at that outlook:
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you work hard all day long (negative) and come to dirty house which you clean (negative) then you have a beer or choc. cake or whatever (positive).
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day in day out. doesn't sound too sexy either does it?
the positive thing is, that you have so many things where you could get started to improve your experience in excisting and on the way to actually living. For example you could get a new job. Most people spend most of their wake time working, so why do it at a place you dislike or with tasks you dislike? What keeps you from seeking something you enjoy (more)? Lacking education for that? why not do something about that? Gives you a purpose and a good feeling too, once you accomplished that.
don't clean that often/ get more efficient with it/ pay someone to do it, if you can afford it. For some people cleaning means making a living while for others cleaning just means a waste of time in combo with doing something you don't enjoy.
regarding your EV paragraph:
personally I do value anger and I don't value it less or more than joy. Just because I don't kill anyone when I am angry doesn't mean that there is an imbalance. I also don't just sleep with the nextbest person just because I am enjoying something. Why do I enjoy joy and anger? Because it makes me feel alive. It connects me to the now and here and I feel. I feel.
I feel and realise that this very moment, where I am very angry or very happy or very whatever (anything but indifferent) is a moment I live. Not just a moment in my life through which I exist, but I moment where I live. THAT can feel pretty damn awesome.
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03-27-2012, 01:04 PM
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grinder
Join Date: Sep 2011
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Re: The only thing I care about is money
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Originally Posted by elizavillain
I feel like I'm saying this in too many threads, but try reading the Power of Now by Eckhart Tolle, it's a good start to changing how you view things to be happy with how things are right now instead of judging your life situation based on how you want things to be.
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unless you are the author, he might not be very happy about people distributing his stuff for free. if you are the author though, then it might just be 2+2 being unhappy about you advertising over and over (as you implicated you are saying this in too many threads).
Sorry if this a free book though and you didn't violate the copyright by that. but then I guess you could have just linked to it.
Last edited by Mike Haven; 03-27-2012 at 01:58 PM.
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03-27-2012, 05:17 PM
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Re: The only thing I care about is money
Yeah I have been down this road before about getting another job I like, but I dont like anything its just a means to an end. First thought that comes to my head is what job pays the most?
I did like the job I am doing now..well just about, the problem is doing the same **** every day so it wouldnt matter what the job is.
In fact I dont like working it sucks.
Life is hard, no doubt about that. But life sucks even when you are winning, which is rare.
What happens when you know life is hard but you dont accept the challenge? Because I figure that going through all that **** for nothing, nothing you want is not worth it.
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03-27-2012, 06:06 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Aug 2008
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Re: The only thing I care about is money
It's your life, if money is that important to you, that's your business.
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03-28-2012, 12:27 PM
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enthusiast
Join Date: Oct 2011
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Re: The only thing I care about is money
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Originally Posted by Mr Muck McFold
Yeah I have been down this road before about getting another job I like, but I dont like anything its just a means to an end. First thought that comes to my head is what job pays the most?
I did like the job I am doing now..well just about, the problem is doing the same **** every day so it wouldnt matter what the job is.
In fact I dont like working it sucks.
Life is hard, no doubt about that. But life sucks even when you are winning, which is rare.
What happens when you know life is hard but you dont accept the challenge? Because I figure that going through all that **** for nothing, nothing you want is not worth it.
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If you don't like working, don't work. It's pretty simple... I worked about 40 hours in total in the month of November, other than that, I haven't worked since April 8... nearly a full year from now
If not working is what you want to do, you'll find a way. You'd have to give up on money making you happy and be able to find other sources of happiness. It's not always easy living off of generosity of others or small amounts of income.
If you know life is hard and you don't accept the challenge, basically that sounds like death to me. Otherwise it sounds like a horrible life, in denial of living, which is the state most people seem to stay in. You don't have to accept the challenge, but just accept the fact that life is hard and get over it. Life is hard for everyone else, you're not special in that regards.
My goal is to never work for someone else ever again because then I'm stuck doing the same thing everyday, and most of which I probably will not enjoy. I've accepted less income to be able to do what I want every day of my life.
Good luck in finding yourself and your place in the world, the best thing to do is to be present in each moment and to just stop thinking about it. If you are doing whatever will make you happiest in each moment, then it will eventually lead to you being happy in life.
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03-28-2012, 04:19 PM
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banned
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Re: The only thing I care about is money
I really wanted to be a live poker pro but lol I dont have the money for it. Dont know what to do about that!
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03-28-2012, 04:50 PM
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veteran
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: LV, UT, $$
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Re: The only thing I care about is money
save, actually dont try to "go pro" your odds are only %5
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03-28-2012, 05:08 PM
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journeyman
Join Date: Jun 2011
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Originally Posted by Mr Muck McFold
I really wanted to be a live poker pro but lol I dont have the money for it. Dont know what to do about that!
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Most pros are broke anyway. Why do you want to be like them?
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03-29-2012, 02:10 AM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Oct 2007
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Re: The only thing I care about is money
So you never spend any money ever? You never 'value' anything more than money? Hard to believe.
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03-29-2012, 04:30 AM
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grinder
Join Date: Dec 2005
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Re: The only thing I care about is money
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misanthropy
Didn't read this entire thread, but I think you have a passion for life - even though its negative. I think in time you'll turn that passion into a positive. There have been many artists through time that had your disgust for life (including myself) and turned that into something worth living for. Search for it. It may be money but I doubt it.
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03-29-2012, 11:28 AM
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banned
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Re: The only thing I care about is money
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Originally Posted by Cerveza69
Most pros are broke anyway. Why do you want to be like them?
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Because I am broke now, why not have both? what about......
1. Travel the poker circuit, see different places.
2. Play cards
3. Win money
4. Get sponsored
5. Get on TV.
6. Win more money.
7. Take break whenever you want.
8. No boss
9. Buy boat
10. Play cards on boat.
11. Flexible hours.
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Originally Posted by AlbertoKnox
So you never spend any money ever? You never 'value' anything more than money? Hard to believe.
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Lets see, I have a TV, cooker, shower, toilet, sofa and a bed....oh yeah and I need for food. I dont think I spend my money on anything else, not because I dont want to but because I dont have much money.
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Originally Posted by Checkov
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misanthropy
Didn't read this entire thread, but I think you have a passion for life - even though its negative. I think in time you'll turn that passion into a positive. There have been many artists through time that had your disgust for life (including myself) and turned that into something worth living for. Search for it. It may be money but I doubt it.
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Serial murderer Carl Panzram was remembered for his violent and indiscriminate misanthropy. One of his famous quotes was "I wish all mankind had one neck so I could choke it!"
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Perfect
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Another example of mistaken misanthropy is Jean-Paul Sartre's quote "Hell is other people."
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Fantastic
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The German philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer, on the other hand, was as famously misanthropic as his reputation. He wrote that "human existence must be a kind of error."
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Yep..I hear you bro
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In Plato's Phaedo, Socrates defines the misanthrope in relation to his fellow man: "Misanthropy develops when without art one puts complete trust in somebody thinking the man absolutely true and sound and reliable and then a little later discovers him to be bad and unreliable...and when it happens to someone often...he ends up...hating everyone
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So good.......
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Aristotle follows a more ontological route: the misanthrope, as an essentially solitary man, is not a man at all: he must be a beast or a god
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All or nothing IMO.
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Immanuel Kant said that "Of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing can ever be made,"
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Right on!
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03-29-2012, 08:32 PM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Oct 2008
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Re: The only thing I care about is money
just relax and breathe. eat healthy and exercise daily, you feelings will change soon. You are just a animal and these feelings you have are mostly due to how much humans have moved away from that path.
caveman: hunt.run.eat.sleep.f@ck
21st century man: work.sit.mcdonalds.stress.meds.
the more you return to the basics the happier you will be, you are just a animal after all
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03-29-2012, 08:34 PM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Oct 2008
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Re: The only thing I care about is money
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Originally Posted by Cerveza69
Most pros are broke anyway. Why do you want to be like them?
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well it sounds like he's broker now so.....
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