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Old 11-19-2008, 08:55 AM   #16
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Re: ESP in poker?

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Have you ever been in these types of situations;

a) You are in a public setting and you see a very beautiful woman from way across the room. You keep gazing at her when all of a sudden, she freezes as if someone has tapped her on her shoulder, then she turns to look directly into your eyes?
b) You are in a public setting and you are feeling and looking very good. You are busy talking to some friends when all of a sudden something in your subconcious mind tells you that you are being watched. You turn and look across the room directly at some chick who is staring at you.

I have been in these types of situations numerous times throughout my life. And I believe that this is indeed some form of 'extra sensory perception' that we have built into us as human beings.

I also think that when you are playing cards at the poker table, and your first gut instinct tells you something about a particular hand or player, that your gut instinct is usually right. This I believe is also another form of extra sensory perception i.m.o.
11-17-2008 07:46 PM
But you forget the other million times you turn and look around and absolutely nobody is looking at you. Or the times you've stared at the back of someone's head and they've blissfully ignored you. If you look around enough, you are going to eventually look at someone who is looking at you. Same applies to looking at the back of someone's head.

IMO, Jaconda nailed this one.

A guy called James Randi has a $1 000 000 fund set aside to be given to the first person who successfully demonstrates, under laboratory conditions, any form of ESP or supernatural ability. No-one has managed to claim it as yet. I reckon his loot is safe, although I wrote in predicting I wouldn't win it and I was right, so maybe...
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Old 11-19-2008, 01:55 PM   #17
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1M isn't much if you're able to read minds and predict the future. Busting half of vegas would be much more fun than submitting to hours of lab tests for a measly seven figures...
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Old 11-19-2008, 04:11 PM   #18
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Re: ESP in poker?

Equalsfour is right on
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Old 11-22-2008, 01:41 AM   #19
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Re: ESP in poker?

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But you forget the other million times you turn and look around and absolutely nobody is looking at you. Or the times you've stared at the back of someone's head and they've blissfully ignored you. If you look around enough, you are going to eventually look at someone who is looking at you. Same applies to looking at the back of someone's head....
That hardly fits my lifes experiences.
Maybe I'm better looking than you are.
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Old 11-22-2008, 06:44 AM   #20
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Re: ESP in poker?

I think what doyle means by ESP is nothing supernatural but anything you can use to aid in reading another players hand, but which is too subtle to consciously understand or describe. Presumably an individual contributor to this effect is difficult to isolate and measure becuase there's an array of inputs and the rule determining outputs, i.e. your response, is a complex function.
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Old 11-25-2008, 08:53 AM   #21
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From Merriam Webster online dictionary:

ESP

Main Entry: extrasensory perception
Function: noun
Date: 1934
: perception (as in telepathy, clairvoyance, and precognition) that involves awareness of information about events external to the self not gained through the senses and not deducible from previous experience —called also ESP
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Old 11-25-2008, 02:23 PM   #22
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Holy crap a song I was thinking about just played on the radio .... see ya later I'm headin' to 25/50 while the iron is hot
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Old 11-25-2008, 06:12 PM   #23
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Re: ESP in poker?

When you're such a dreamy hunk that the odds of a woman staring at you are elevated 24/7, the coincidence of looking back at them or anticipating that they will be looking at you is about as far from extra-sensory as you can get.

For the existence of extra-sensory type phenomena to be contemplated, a better definition and standard is needed than two lushes making eyes at each other in a meat market. That doesn't qualify and is just more of the garbage that gives the whole subject a bad name.
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Old 11-25-2008, 11:16 PM   #24
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Re: ESP in poker?

you have several types of memory, one being semantic, another episodic.

semantic is memory of facts and concepts unrelated to experience (ex you knowing the capital of Canada is Ottawa without you being there etc)

episodic is you explaining a particular event ("yeah I went to California in 2007 for coachella")

both are from different parts of the brain (dont feel like looking it up) and the memorization of odd things that you dont remember where that fact came from or why you know it are because you have semantic memory of this fact but no episodic. Maybe ESP is remembering something in your semantic memory bank and it seems like it came outta nowhere since you dont remember where it came from (episodic).

**Just thought I'd throw that out there, I had a leading expert in Canada talk to my class about that today so im relaying what i remember while sitting ripped...
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Old 11-28-2008, 12:09 AM   #25
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Did Doyle use the actual term "ESP" to describe intuitive reads on players?

The term ESP, strictly used, would be having knowledge of what specific card(s) (rank and suit) are in 1) opponent's hands and, even more, 2) what card(s) will be dealt next (without cheating or peaking) with a higher-than-random frequency.
I always thought it was a eupemism for card marking.
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Old 04-15-2012, 04:02 PM   #26
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I think people can employ it to some degree. I have seen it too many times. Somebody calls the exact card before it comes out, even several times in a row. Someone has a gut feeling something is going to happen and it happens.

I think maybe it exists but it doesn't work perfectly
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Old 04-15-2012, 04:08 PM   #27
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I have had some experience with this. I have "seen" cards appear before they have been turned. Can't really harness the ability though. But it has happened more times than a coincidence. And it has happened in both a good way and a bad way.
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Old 06-05-2012, 04:21 AM   #28
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I have had a bunch of moments where I have no idea how I knew what an opponent was holding, but just did without even really thinking about it. I am going with it is some subconscious physical tells and betting patterns I picked up.

It is developed through repetition and it just hits you from nowhere. Like being able to almost certainly put an opponents on a goofy two pair (Ex. TAG UTG on Jacks and Sevens), for no apparent reason. Then you turn up right.
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Old 06-05-2012, 05:27 AM   #29
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Re: ESP in poker?

I have a book on ESP that I've been hanging onto for several years. It's supposed to be practical. Perhaps I'll read it finally and sum up the points in a post as a favor to the devoted 2'ers.
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