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01-23-2016 , 10:33 AM

waqavu

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Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 12

I read this article interested what others think?

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Shut up! Announcing your plans makes you less motivated to accomplish them.

Shouldn't you announce your goals, so friends can support you?

Isn't it good networking to tell people about your upcoming projects?

Doesn't the “law of attraction” mean you should state your intention, and visualize the goal as already yours?

Nope.

Tests done since 1933 show that people who talk about their intentions are less likely to make them happen.

Announcing your plans to others satisfies your self-identity just enough that you're less motivated to do the hard work needed.

In 1933, W. Mahler found that if a person announced the solution to a problem, and was acknowledged by others, it was now in the brain as a “social reality”, even if the solution hadn't actually been achieved.

NYU psychology professor Peter Gollwitzer has been studying this since his 1982 book “Symbolic Self-Completion” (pdf article here) - and recently published results of new tests in a research article, “When Intentions Go Public: Does Social Reality Widen the Intention-Behavior Gap?”

Four different tests of 63 people found that those who kept their intentions private were more likely to achieve them than those who made them public and were acknowledged by others.

Once you've told people of your intentions, it gives you a “premature sense of completeness.”

You have “identity symbols” in your brain that make your self-image. Since both actions and talk create symbols in your brain, talking satisfies the brain enough that it “neglects the pursuit of further symbols.”

A related test found that success on one sub-goal (eating healthy meals) reduced efforts on other important sub-goals (going to the gym) for the same reason.

It may seem unnatural to keep your intentions and plans private, but try it. If you do tell a friend, make sure not to say it as a satisfaction (“I've joined a gym and bought running shoes. I'm going to do it!”), but as dissatisfaction (“I want to lose 20 pounds, so kick my ass if I don't, OK?”)

http://sivers.org/zipit

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01-23-2016 , 08:26 PM

winnercircle

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I tend to agree with it, but people in general are terrible at goal setting and terrible at staying motivated. So, even if it's true, it's kinda hard to know which came first.

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01-25-2016 , 08:03 AM

Benjola

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I don't like the article, too much generalizations.

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Tests done since 1933 show that people who talk about their intentions are less likely to make them happen.

Announcing your plans to others satisfies your self-identity just enough that you're less motivated to do the hard work needed.

In 1933, W. Mahler found that if a person announced the solution to a problem, and was acknowledged by others, it was now in the brain as a “social reality”, even if the solution hadn't actually been achieved.

I can see this being the case for some but not for others.
In my case, I do like to announce my goals to friends and family and present it as a 'done deal' because it gives me a much higher motivation.
Why?
Because I don't want to embarrass myself and look like a failure.
So I work harder in order not to fail.
This is how I managed to stop smoking 'cold turkey' after 20 years of smoking and I was actually shocked at how easy it was.

So, I see the phenomena talked in the article as a very subjective thing and not at all as a psychological rule of some kind.

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01-25-2016 , 08:38 AM

Elrazor

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Stopped reading when the guys described himself as a "student of life".

Did take a glance at the paper though. In the only experimental condition, those who disclosed their intentions to become a lawyer also ticked a bigger picture of a judge when presented by 5 images of increasing size.

Could mean anything really, and is a long way removed from some of the conclusions being drawn.

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01-25-2016 , 06:19 PM

winnercircle

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There are better articles on the subject than the OP. I think it's just an area where you try both, and see what works. I don't mind telling people about my simpler goals that I am 100% sure going to accomplish. But the ones that are a little bit more challenging stay to myself.

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01-26-2016 , 04:31 AM

Elrazor

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The literature suggests goals should always have the chance of failure. You don't really want to set goals that you are >90% or <10% chance of achieving.

I have a general tendency to disclose my goals and ambitions to other people as I think it's a way of committing to them, but I really think it's down to the individual how they go about it.

As with many applied techniques, its about finding what works for you. Goal setting should always be the first thing a psychologist sets out with a performance client though, so it's important to get it right.

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01-28-2016 , 06:02 PM

CamNewton3

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I also tend to agree with that theory, but only if you give a great importance to the way people look at you and judge you. Then it might be satisfying for you.

Other then that I think it only motivates you to do everything you can to reach it. I don't feel more satisfied about myself if I tell them to my peers, but I still like to do it so people around me understand the sacrifices I'll have to do to accomplish my goals and support me into reaching those goals.

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02-01-2016 , 09:01 PM

sethnoorzad

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I agree. I feel like whenever I set a new goal and tell people then they form an opinion about it and it affects me reaching my goal. If I just do it without telling anyone I have a much easier time.

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02-01-2016 , 09:25 PM

chrisshiherlis

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There is empirical evidence that outlining plans makes the goal more likely to be achieved.

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02-08-2016 , 06:30 AM

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Loveheart

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Originally Posted by waqavu

I read this article interested what others think?

http://sivers.org/zipit

I don`t like to share my thoughts with other especially about gambling. Due to the specific performances in gambling, I`d like to keep my plans in secret. As when I talk about them I begin to feel the responsibility to keep a promise, so that`s how I begin to nervous about the outcome of the game. And it prevents me to take risks and so on.. What about others? What can you say?

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03-03-2016 , 06:20 AM

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Aquarelius

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In my opinion it is not a good practice to share your plans even with your "friends" because their envy can affect me and my thoughts and in such a case I will not be able to realise my ideeas.

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03-03-2016 , 09:43 AM

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Jinsticker

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as above, people are terrible at support. Especially friends, lol.

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