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12-28-2013 , 10:27 PM
Did you just admit that you're a nun?

Explains a lot.
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12-28-2013 , 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by winnercircle
Did you just admit that you're a nun?

Explains a lot.
And your like a brick wall!

Explains a lot.

As a matter of fact, that's what I should see you as from now on.
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12-28-2013 , 10:54 PM
Get a therapist bro, for real.
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12-29-2013 , 03:45 AM
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Originally Posted by winnercircle
Get a therapist bro, for real.
No psychological advice is gonna work unless the person himself has a desire for change. (This happens almost spotaneously.)

Stop acting like I am the only one with the issue. 90% of internet users have mental problems.

Everyone on here has issues which is why they're in the psychology forum. (Duh!)
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12-29-2013 , 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by ChipExcess
No psychological advice is gonna work unless the person himself has a desire for change. (This happens almost spotaneously.)
...Hence why one of my four main focuses is "Purpose and Motivations".


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Stop acting like I am the only one with the issue. 90% of internet users have mental problems.
I wouldn't say that, but I would say the internet definitely brings out people's offensive side as it feels good to use other webusers as a "punchbag" as you know they cant hurt you physically. There are substantial barriers in place that make online communication not as personal as face to face meaning a lot of the time, we dont associate users online as real people. It's an interesting area of talk in the field with regards to "flaming" but I haven't read too much into it.

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Everyone on here has issues which is why they're in the psychology forum. (Duh!)
To some degree, you're right here.

Everyone has recognized how they might not be achieving what they want with regards to the psychology of the game resulting in them looking for answers in this forum.

Well said buddy!
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01-02-2014 , 10:37 AM
Thanks to the guy that reminded us to spend more time in the present moment! That's a great yet simple idea. So many people spend so much time thinking about and reliving the past, although it's so counter-productive.
You, sir, motivated me greatly.
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01-02-2014 , 08:28 PM
Is this real life?
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01-02-2014 , 08:40 PM
LOL sadly
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01-02-2014 , 09:57 PM
Handy little link from the American Psychological Association on Building Resilience...

http://www.apa.org/helpcenter/road-resilience.aspx
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07-05-2014 , 08:28 PM
very good advice here, the goal list seems a great motivational idea.
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07-06-2014 , 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by ChipExcess
Your talking about emulating qualities of winning poker players. That is way beyond simple knowledge or techniques used in poker.

You just don't understand how massively complex idea you've just suggested.

It's like trying to emulate a specific mood from a person. You might be able too with your extensive knowledge and come up /w techniques or result in your willpower. Eventually, you'll break when your mind can longer continue something that doesn't come natural to them.

In the end, all you did was exhausted a bunch of energy. Your trying to bypass god..

Even your not stupid enough to realize how pointless it is . I'm just trying to save people time and maybe your's.

But yeah, you're free to do whatever you want. GL!
This is one of my favourite posts ever on a poker forum.
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07-06-2014 , 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by ChipExcess
Is sarcasm the only thing you can come up with? Are you too ignorant to comprehend what I just said? Or is it when anything that comes up which is beyond your knowledge & understanding your fragile ego feels the need to ridicule it?

You've a ph.d?

Please act like a qualified one then. Otherwise, don't go barking to everyone your a trained psychologist & act completely counteriniuitive. People know bull when they see it.

You and winner are very alike btw!...

Both highly egotistic and have false delusions of oneself.

Are you sure you two aren't the same person or bloodrelated?
He has an MRes. Which is a very worthwhile post grad qualification. I would point out that it's also handed to those who attempt a PhD and f*** it up, but I'm sure this does not apply here.

It's completely possible to get a decent on paper Psych qualification, btw, and not really 'get' psychology, like not have a firm grasp of what is going on. You can't get away with rote learning as much as you do in high school, but you can still do it.
Study of psych will help look at some of the topics a bit more clearly, but if someone says I should take their advice because they have a psych undergrad or postgrad Masters...LOL to that. I'd now be less inclined to believe them, just because they've tried to pull that one on me.
And then you've got the whole further idea of 'I have studied psych, stand back and watch me explain to you all the ins and outs of poker/mental game'. LOL again.
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07-09-2014 , 04:33 PM
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Even your not stupid enough to realize how pointless it is

You're*
LOL The epitome of irony right there.


Chris, if that is the best post you've ever read on here, it has to be the only one.

1) emulating emotions eventually works. fake it till you make it became a cliche because it has some truth to it. you don't just run out of energy, and Chip wouldn't know because he sounds like the most mentally weak whiner on here.

2) he says it's useless because you're trying to bypass god.
i) there is no god
ii) if there were a god, his logic insinuates that nobody has the free will to become anything unless god makes it be so. (by the way, using god as an excuse for why your life isn't the way you want it, is the easiest copout around)


So if this is the "best post you've read on here" you're either saying it sarcastically, or Chip has decided to make a new account to argue his own side.
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07-11-2014 , 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by winnercircle
You're*
LOL The epitome of irony right there.


Chris, if that is the best post you've ever read on here, it has to be the only one.

1) emulating emotions eventually works. fake it till you make it became a cliche because it has some truth to it. you don't just run out of energy, and Chip wouldn't know because he sounds like the most mentally weak whiner on here.

2) he says it's useless because you're trying to bypass god.
i) there is no god
ii) if there were a god, his logic insinuates that nobody has the free will to become anything unless god makes it be so. (by the way, using god as an excuse for why your life isn't the way you want it, is the easiest copout around)


So if this is the "best post you've read on here" you're either saying it sarcastically, or Chip has decided to make a new account to argue his own side.
Maybe if you trusted in the Lord and turned to him you would overcome the problems in your mind/spirit that are holding you back from poker success.
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07-11-2014 , 03:28 PM
^ Maybe you haven't read any of my posts for 2 years, but I'm doing very well re: poker, thanks.

And, I don't believe in imaginary guys in the sky. I also don't believe in santa.
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07-11-2014 , 06:15 PM
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^ Maybe you haven't read any of my posts for 2 years, but I'm doing very well re: poker, thanks.

And, I don't believe in imaginary guys in the sky. I also don't believe in santa.
I have read many of your posts but I do no know...how you are doing at poker? Did you end up taking cognitive enhancers?
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07-12-2014 , 04:56 PM
I tried those cognition pills, and didn't really find they did anything. I suspect that there would be a placebo effect for some people. Unfortunately, nothing happened when I took them.

I am doing well at poker. Playing fulltime for a year. Not perfect regarding tilt yet, but much improved. I think more people would improve if they were able to keep an open mind about different techniques of the mental game. Some people seem to attack any idea brought up, yet aren't even willing to give it an honest try.
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07-12-2014 , 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by winnercircle
I tried those cognition pills, and didn't really find they did anything. I suspect that there would be a placebo effect for some people. Unfortunately, nothing happened when I took them.

I am doing well at poker. Playing fulltime for a year. Not perfect regarding tilt yet, but much improved. I think more people would improve if they were able to keep an open mind about different techniques of the mental game. Some people seem to attack any idea brought up, yet aren't even willing to give it an honest try.
All psychological interventions should be based on solid science.
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07-12-2014 , 08:58 PM
Why? Science can't even answer why a placebo works.
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07-12-2014 , 08:59 PM
And if I'm not mistaken, I think you once argued with me about CBT not being effective, without really giving any reasoning.

Why the switch?
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07-13-2014 , 05:08 AM
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Originally Posted by winnercircle
I tried those cognition pills, and didn't really find they did anything. I suspect that there would be a placebo effect for some people. Unfortunately, nothing happened when I took them.
Placebo effect is present I'm sure, yeah.

Some of them take a while to work, some recommend an 'attack dose'. Some have studies that show a more pronounced effect on those with a defect (cognition damage due to alcoholism, for example).
But hey, a placebo is still helping at the end of the day
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07-13-2014 , 05:34 AM
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Why? Science can't even answer why a placebo works.
We have identified its occurrence and relevance to scientific investigation, even though our understanding of its mechanism is incomplete/disputed.

Are you suggesting that if there are things that science cannot explain in the psychological realm that then we might as well make investigations/explanations without recourse to science?

In your defence, this did bring me to the Lord: tide goes in, tide goes out...can't explain it.
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07-13-2014 , 05:53 AM
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And if I'm not mistaken, I think you once argued with me about CBT not being effective, without really giving any reasoning.

Why the switch?
Mmmm, nope, what I would have said is something like, that even though poker is very psychological and psychological interventions can be used to help us here, this does not mean we can pick classic interventions like CBT and use it and its format willy-nilly.
Some people have general psych issues, this affects their thinking and there's no surprise that their poker is included in this.
Poker, however, will create its own set of problems too, for which the likes of CBT were never intended, and using it will not be able to fix them. If someone doesn't really 'get' poker and CBT is all they know, yeah, by all means, rattle on about that. The problem will remain, however.
I can imagine how easy poker would be if the thinking involved, evidenced by the problems flowing from it, were something CBT could work very extensively with.
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07-13-2014 , 10:05 PM
Ok, I think I just misunderstood your position before. Which things do you think it cannot help? I only have my personal experiences to go upon, but I found success using it after years of pretty bad tilt. I haven't reduced it to zero, but that's largely due to me not working on the mental side of things when I start to play good again.

LOL, and why doesn't Mars have a moon then? (Steven Colbert "except for the 2 that they have") classic
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