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Originally Posted by MeleaB
No, no, no. I'm sorry, but you do not understand it at all. Players can not- and never could- be "losing or break-even players" (in the strictest sense) and make $100k+. They are/were winning players pre-rake and winning players with rakeback (net rake) They were "losing players" only with the the extortionate pre rake-back fees. "Break-even" players in many of these games would have been in the top 5% (or higher) of the player pool. So your perception (and Anaya's "propaganda") that one "simply" had to break-even is complete nonsense.
trolling lol..?. Using your logic I guess it could work if there were rake free environments. If a player chooses to play an unbeatable game after net rake however its calculated (as 1 # or several exchanges of #s) that's on the player. People have the right to choose where to play or not to play at all if no games are available that they can beat. "extortionate pre terms" is just lol and a very relative thing. Side note, these player pools you are referring to specifically have/had major issues with bots according to threads all over 2+2. If a person wants to perfect a weird variant of poker only offered by 1 or a few sites (spins, zoom) and that NEW form of poker goes to the wayside then well.. Global offers a few simple formats that have been around for years that everyone can play, reducing bumhunting those weird variants that fleece sheep faster.
The rake im paying to play my games would be unbeatable on other sites but as I keep repeating Im happy to pay it in the current high quality gaming and cs, cashier situation on this site. I haven't even brought it up and it's just to illustrate a point.
A player can 100% be a losing player according to their database at the end of year from games played +rake, many are losing pre rb, rake enough and how much did the old SNE or current WPN 5 star pay..? I guess we all could play with #s and see how much rake we could afford to pay based on our skill level or lack of and preferred game type?
What about flat rates like some live card rooms do, would you be ok with that? Pay x$ for x# cash game hands and maybe 3-5% for mtts, .5% for hypers? Is that "non extortionate" rakeback IYO? Do we need to see all the financials for the site to determine what we think is fair rake for us to pay? Im just throwing ideas out there.
As opposed to rakeback maybe just calculate what you think is fair, taking into consideration the coin freerolls and challenges they run (or in your model remove them and pay yourself directly) and lobby only for a rake reduction as opposed to a reduction and a rebate as is taking place now? Don't worry about the cashier or other CS stuff they do as that would be to difficult to figure for quantitative analysis.
im going in circles but i guess you and many others just expect sites to provide this wonderful free service for all of us how nice that would be lol