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Originally Posted by jamaplays
Dewd you are an azzhole you apparently work for Global Poker and your personal insults to people who are posting on this site are uncalled for. As members of this site we have the right to post our opinions on whatever subject we choose. So unless your bosses at Global have bought TwoPlusTwo STFU.
If a person spoke to me to my face the way you have to many on this site said person would be spending some time in a hospital.
Difference between opinions and accusations. Why take into account what many have said here when you can just create something aside from logic? There is a poker rigged thread with tons of illogical comments. Say you don't like a network, that this one has PLO antes or from level 1 in NLHE, that is one thing. Calling something a scam with no proof or logic is another. There is plenty of public information on VGW and certified financials.
If someone doesn't have the ability to read what has been posted prior and just make asinine claims, its called out. Stomping your feet for no reason with threats of media reports makes you a jackass. The OP did the same thing and it turned out he was wrong, as all the others. Plenty of people ask for assistance in a normal way and others join the forum and make stupid claims. Normal people ask for assistance and will lose their patience when nothing happens. Just claiming things are a scam from the beginning is bs and immature.
He isn't going to media outlets, nothing is happening, idle threats and ranting. A media outlet would look at his story and then look at the reports of certified accounts, who do you think they would trust? I think it is more a case of Occam's Razor than anything. They advertise on FB, get a lot of mega casual players that call with a pair no matter the board and sometimes they get lucky and usually get crushed. The free $2 gets people in to try it. The lack of rake, no late registration, high stakes, or HUD use keep most of the online poker world away. You are not dealing with a very high rate of poker knowledge, overall. Having 3+ players into showdown is going to create a lot of unexpected variance.
I wish I did work for them. I'd dump the PLO antes, make the alert sound much louder, add time to the clock, have a customer service phone number, make the verification process a 24 thing, and make it easier to play more than two tables by having the alert pop a table to the front.
No, I don't believe online poker is a scam. If done correct, the network makes far more money over the years in the rakes and fees. Publicly traded companies are at a far high level of risk. They are going to jail for fraudulent activity and violating their shareholders investments. A private scam like Full Flush is another thing. You have to try to find them hiding on some tax haven island. If it is a scam, take it to the regulators where those companies are reporting. When someone that has been in the investment banking business and run a previous public company in the gaming sector is in charge, I would take his/hers reputation far far more than someone making outlandish claims. These things are common sense and logical. The OP made wild claims of being more successful than 90% of online players, yet has no concept of speaking or asking questions respectfully? Sorry, that is a clown and he presented himself as a clown. It wasn't his opinion, he stated it as fact. A handful of others have done the same. "It's a scam, you will never get paid...." in-spite of many people reporting their payment received. That just isn't an opinion.
There has not been a single sarcastic reply from anyone including myself to someone that posts a serious concern with no accusations. That is the difference. Some have followed it up with a 'still haven't heard' comment and still no sarcasm. Then someone brand new to the forum writes something completely opposite of the experience of dozens of others have said and continues to follow it up with more nonsense. That is inane. There have been screenshots of people proving their withdrawals hitting the PayPal account and the claimant still carries on. Stupid.
Someone mentioned seeing quads frequently inside of 100 hands. Odd? Sure, but not at all evidence of anything wrong. I had them SIX times over two days on a different network. That is ridiculously high, but easily balance out by getting crushed for 7 months straight last year with endless come from behind bad beats. If I go back to 2004 when I started playing as a regular thing, then I would bet it is fairly inline with the amount of times it should have occurred. I played millions and millions of hands prior to my first royal flush and then got my second a month later. I have not got one for years since.
Base something on facts and/or real proof and people can have a sane conversation even if they disagree. Walk into a room ranting and raving with zero support to your argument then you are no different than a small child stomping their feet to get what they want. One person says the hands are rigged and another says they aren't. Then you read an independent auditor's statement. Who's position do you take? I'll put my trust behind Amaya and VGW in regards to most likely to be secure purely due to independent examiners, although WPN is my favorite network.
No one's opinion is necessarily right or wrong. Making stupid accusations very easily proven to be false is wrong. At the core of it, it may very well make someone already anxious about their concerns go off the deep end. Someone may truly be concerned or have a real need for their money. I think it is better for them to get assurance through facts than to have a breakdown over hype and bs. Whats to say that someone that is having a personal crisis and they really need their 200 in the account from reading some of the idiotic rants and then panicking? It is not right or fair. The reality is some people come here to look for help or assistance. They should have the ability to get it and honestly. If you had an emergency at home and desperately needed to get your money off the site, wouldn't you prefer to get the straight truth instead of reading some hype, good or bad? Read 100 replies and the ones that will stick out most are the negative ones. If they are bs, is it fair to the reader? Outlandish claims are met with outlandish replies, a counterbalance.
The value of something like this forum is the ability to get and share information. Someone brand new should be able to weigh both sides of an argument and make a decision. Logical discussion helps them and hopefully the network as far as improving to what customers seek. What if it was the reverse and someone was saying how great and awesome things were, making tons of money and so simple? They get someone to join in and it turns out to be Full Flush or Lock poker all over again, not good. If you were counting on getting your money, wouldn't you rather go to sleep that night comfortable that you were going to get it, as evidenced by the many people that showed proof as opposed to having the idea that it was a scam in-spite of the proof?
I'm a sarcastic jackazz to a sarcastic/stupid jackazz and I would go out of my way to help someone that was being sincere. I've PM'd more than one person with very specific information, in this sub-forum and others, to help them out. I've also PM'd reps, when someone was unable to do it yet, to try to point out something if it was very serious. If you read through the first cpl of pages, once the OP simply asked for help instead of ranting, I was happy to give a potential reason that could be his issue. As it turned out, it happened to be correct. Had his first post been asking if anyone else had the problem and how did they get it resolved, I'd bet there would have been more than one person offering help.
Site XXX is a scam because this did or did not happen or I'm concerned about site XXX because I have had or have not had something happen....are two very different things. One is a claim and the other is opinion based. I agree with you that sharing of opinions is right and helpful. I do not think empty, easily proven claims are anything but some lonely person looking for attention if they continue to ignore facts.