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06-22-2012 , 12:33 AM
flop 789, table is 4 handed, raise and a call 2 players see flop.
they both flop a straight
one guy had 5 6 the other had 10 j.
what are the chances odds probability of that?
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06-22-2012 , 11:51 AM
We need to nail down your question a bit more. Are you asking "Given that the flop came 789 and two players saw it, what are the chances that they both flop a straight?" Even this isn't enough - we need ranges for both players. I can take a stab at it by assuming that the raiser has a hand in the top 30%, and the caller has a hand in the top 30-50%:


ProPokerTools Odds Oracle Results (2.16 Professional)
Holdem, Generic syntax
Board - 7s8c9d
PLAYER_1 30%
PLAYER_2 30%-50%
1000000 trials (randomized)


How often do(es)
2 players 5-card hand type is a straight on the flop

0.1486% (1486)
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06-22-2012 , 12:34 PM
Yea thanks. You guys always ask such good questions, and I'm not really sure how to answer. I think what i meant was 4 players at a table 2 players fold and 2 players see the flop! first question i guess would be what are the odds/chances that 1 player is dealt 56 and the other is dealt 10 j?
then what are odds/chances that a flop of 789 happens? then can you just add those 2 results together to see what the chance is of that whole thing happening?
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06-22-2012 , 12:38 PM
What are the odds that one player will be dealt A3 and another player dealt QT and the flop comes 493?
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06-22-2012 , 12:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by apkrnewb
flop 789, table is 4 handed, raise and a call 2 players see flop.
they both flop a straight
one guy had 5 6 the other had 10 j.
what are the chances odds probability of that?
what's the point ?
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06-22-2012 , 01:12 PM
I understand the skepticism of those questioning OP's question. But, he asked so here's the answer (if I didn't mess up). Whether it's useful or not, I make no judgement for I don't know why he's asking. Maybe he has a bet, maybe he's just curious, maybe ??? OP might want to look at recent discussions by Sherman and others on similar questions - e.g a question on odds of qq four times in a row.

Assuming two players would play any two cards, the chance for one having 6 5 and one having J T is 0.032%. Given those holdings, the chance of a 9 8 7 flop is 0.37%. The odds of both happening is about 850,000 to 1 against.

Whether these results apply to the particular situation, depends on what assumptions are made.

Last edited by statmanhal; 06-22-2012 at 01:19 PM.
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06-22-2012 , 10:30 PM
Thanks guys! What i described happened last night at the wsop.
A couple of my buddies were saying how easy it should have been for the guy with (56) to fold when
Antonio (10 J) went all in, i just laughed and said the odds must be astronomical for what happened to happen. I knew if you guys had the time you could come up with an answer that i figured would be rather astronomical. thanks again cheers
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06-23-2012 , 01:41 AM
The odds are irrelevant for the person's decision. The decision should be based on other things, like would this person play the hand the same way if he/she had less than the nuts?
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06-23-2012 , 03:10 AM
^ Exactly! Is villian going to have other hands often enough that are not 10 J that he would go allin with (this was a tourney not a cash game)
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