So what you are saying is a bad beat in a small stakes game is no big deal and must be my poor play, but in big stakes it's different and if the guy who chases knowing damn well he is behind the whole hand and then catches it then is a bad beat hmmm.

Like i said poker is simple doesn't matter how big the stakes are because a millionaire who might think playing a 10,000 buy in is highstakes whereas a player who say makes 50 grand a year might consider a 500 hundred dollar buy in high stakes.

I mean there are only 52 cards in a deck i mean come on. I mean sometimes the river might seem like a bad beat to some (not me) sure that is where you are most likely to win the hand anyhow. One thing i notice about this site is the ones who respond seem to actually think there opinion is any better then someone elses about a game that really is easy and has been won by players that who have only played 6 months. 2 million possible hands sure but only 3 or 4 combonations to even worry about because the rest is all luck.

Anyway no skill needed just a basic understanding is all it takes. I have been playing along time and it doesn't matter if you play 10,000,000 hands or a hundred anyone can win. That goes for high or low stakes just depends how much you can afford to lose and still pay the bills if you happen to lose that is. So a bad beat is a bad beat no matter how big the stakes are.

P.S. As far as the GOD comparison i just cited someone else because i know there is a GOD, and he is an evil sadisic one too.

dfgh555 you and me HU = $ 50 - bankwire - ATM - titties.

I found quick reply look out lol.

I'm assumming HU means heads up huh?

No thanks i hate heads up! Rather play a table full of donks like all you big talkers around here. It's a joke! 50/50 odds i think not. I thought you knew that "any mr.freaking two cards heads up troll". Actually aught to call yourself that lol.

Now what did i win tonight hmmm? Hold on! $890.57. Not bad aye!

Haven't you ever just called the so called pro's after they missed the flop and let them bet and bet and been so glad you did? I do!

Yes very good how much did you lose ? 5 K ?

Why play if you think it is rigged?

No, what I am saying is that small time paranoid players tend to react much more emotionally and read a lot more into their bad beats then seasoned mid/high stakes poker players who realize it is part of the simple math of the game.

That is why most rigged believers post hands from FPP tournaments and $1 tournaments when they try to make their point.

This has nothing to do with anything I have been saying. You often reply to points that were never made or even implied which is another trait of most rigged believers. They tend to not be able to follow a simple discussion easily.

I don't even know what this is responding to other than some random thought in your head. You do show your power and ability to use math though I suppose.

This is pretty much what I would expect someone like you to say and believe. Of course it is not based on actual reality even if you totally believe it to be true.

Most paranoid people have beliefs along these lines.


Post your screen name to prove this to be true. If it is, congrats, but many paranoid rigged believers lie about their results when trying to make a point.

Monteroy, you are really clueless.

You should have figured out by now how dfgh555's mind works. It is not possible to convince him; he will continue to consider any evidence against his opinion as wrong or fabricated.

If you want to make him see sense, you have to use a different approach.

Hey, dfgh555.

You think that poker is rigged. Tell me, who do you think gains from this? Who rigs the site, and why?

Ironic use of clueless.

Sadly I am quite familiar with how his mind works, as it is a fairly common form of thinking (slow/paranoid/emotional).

In no way shape or form do I ever expect that he will change his opinion or learn anything. He has made that perfectly clear with how he defines the game of poker itself (ie: no skill required).

Basically, I am having a bit of fun with him and at his expense to see the reaction it generates, and to see how a person like him reacts to multiple requests to see his actual user name on whatever site he plays ( I assume we will never be told his real user name).



Now this is pretty much a beginner/clueless approach to dealing with rigged people as they have very routine prepared answers that they believe actually address those type of questions.

They tend to include variations of the following:


- The sites benefit by helping bad players keep their money longer

- They create action hands to generate more rake

- If you think a company would not do this then let's start some Enron and Madoff chants.


No offense, but your way of handling rigged people is pretty outdated.

FYP

Time well spent.

Thanks. Not everyone uses 5 minutes of spare time to use feeble sarcasm.

I made this point in another thread a little while ago about rigging an online poker site...why would the site be rigged in favor of the fish? This thinking is severely flawed. Wouldn't it make more sense to rig it in favor of the grinders, the winning players who are consistently on top and reinvesting their money eventually paying MASSIVE amounts of rake that losing players who come and go will never amount to? I just don't understand the logic in arguing over an online poker site being rigged or not...if you think it's rigged DONT PLAY!!! I can't stand to hear about players constantly complaning about sites being rigged and continuing to play. The amount of statistical significance in this thread supporting that pokerstars is rigged has amounted to...nothing. That's because there is no actual evidence, and probably never will be that deduces pokerstars to favoring the fish. Until someone can post conclusive evidence that without a doubt pokerstars is rigged (requiring evaluations of hundreds of millions of hands) this thread will continue toward the same direction it began...NOWHERE!

Lets make this forum productive and stay away from threads like this unless someone can provied actual verification that without a doubt Pokerstars, the poker site with more traffic than anyone in this entire world, uses corruptive RNG's, employs a new random shuffler with a crackable algorithm, or for some ridiculous reason rigs the cards to fall in favor to the player with less skill. (Probability of this occurence: Slim to Never)

To everyone else on the forum, have a good day at the tables!

Well i don't believe i ever said it was rigged. I came here out of curiosity, not because i thought it was rigged, but just out of curiosity. Then after reading the entire thread i just noticed some things that others have noticed, but never said anything like the RNG is corrupt or crackable algorithm etc. Might of said there were tons of miracle cards or huge flops repeatedly flopping full houses and straights thats about it tho. I also said that a few times while playing and seeing calls that defied logic where they got way to lucky i would make a comment jokingly that the game was rigged and soon after went on a losing streak that truthfully i have never been on. (I consistently won at the end of every session). So when i had a bit of losing streak i was curious what other people thought thats it. So one more time "i do not think it is rigged"!

You guys sure sound like psychologists tho lol.

Also made an error and lost a tournament after posting originally. $566.57.

Sorry dfg that really wasnt directed entirely towards you (that's why i didnt use names) just generally speaking as a summary to the previous thread posts...no personal vendettas here jus providing a very analytical point of view that many people cant seem to conceptualize, no harm in questioning anything, critisizing w/o any support however is extremely annoying, props to you however on your success

No problem. Good job on mastering the game. Good luck at the tables and congrats on your pretend winnings.

Why is this still open in Probability?

Never posted here...but yeah JOKERSTARS IS RIGGED!
Please explain me why whould pokerlady030 risk >1/2 from her stack...in the bubble 2.20$/180 man(20 left) with.............................................. .....NOTHING not even A high!
what's the probability of this runner runner? 1 / 1 billion?

PokerStars Game #32249219869: Tournament #191397978, $2.00+$0.20 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XIII (600/1200) - 2009/08/30 18:15:12 ET
Table '191397978 12' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 2: iNs0mN1a80 (10550 in chips)
Seat 3: Piment17 (7629 in chips)
Seat 4: skpersian (1949 in chips)
Seat 6: Z3MCoupe (6086 in chips)
Seat 7: negroj (19852 in chips)
Seat 8: rols-royce (9765 in chips)
Seat 9: pokerlady030 (23884 in chips)
iNs0mN1a80: posts the ante 125
Piment17: posts the ante 125
skpersian: posts the ante 125
Z3MCoupe: posts the ante 125
negroj: posts the ante 125
rols-royce: posts the ante 125
pokerlady030: posts the ante 125
rols-royce: posts small blind 600
pokerlady030: posts big blind 1200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to iNs0mN1a80 [Kc Ks]
iNs0mN1a80: raises 1300 to 2500
Piment17: folds
skpersian: folds
Z3MCoupe has timed out
Z3MCoupe: folds
Z3MCoupe is sitting out
negroj: folds
rols-royce: folds
pokerlady030: calls 1300
*** FLOP *** [2c 3s 3d]
Z3MCoupe has returned
pokerlady030: checks
iNs0mN1a80: bets 2500
pokerlady030: raises 18759 to 21259 and is all-in
iNs0mN1a80: calls 5425 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (13334) returned to pokerlady030
*** TURN *** [2c 3s 3d] 5♠
*** RIVER *** [2c 3s 3d 5s] 6♣
*** SHOW DOWN ***
pokerlady030: shows [Qh 4d] (a straight, Deuce to Six)
iNs0mN1a80: shows [Kc Ks] (two pair, Kings and Threes)
pokerlady030 collected 22325 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 22325 | Rake 0
Board [2c 3s 3d 5s 6c]
Seat 2: iNs0mN1a80 showed [Kc Ks] and lost with two pair, Kings and Threes
Seat 3: Piment17 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: skpersian folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Z3MCoupe folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: negroj (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: rols-royce (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: pokerlady030 (big blind) showed [Qh 4d] and won (22325) with a straight, Deuce to Six

Um, no, a bit less. It was 1/35 for the runner runner straight alone, and they had another way to win too. It was an all-in bluff that got called then got lucky, nothing more.

lol 1 in a billion.

Ok. Let's break this down. First, you made a min-raise from UTG (this is usually not the sign of a quality player, but I won't belabor that point). This left 5175 in the pot when it folded to her BB. She had to call 1300 to see the flop. So she was getting about 3:1 odds. You can pretty much see the flop with ATC getting that price.

The flop is really ugly. You fire a pathetic looking 2500 into a 6475 pot (less than 1/2 the pot and you still have about 1/2 of your initial stack remaining). Right now, she is probably thinking, this is a standard c-bet and it looks really weak. Moreover, this flop doesn't hit many hands that he might raise with. Additionally, we are on the bubble and this guy will probably chicken out if I shove. So she shoves.

As it turns out, you actually had a good hand (would you call here if you had AK?) and put her in a bad spot. You were a favorite to win the hand, but then got unlucky. However, her play was not necessarily terrible and by all means defensible to anyone who knows anything about tournament poker.

Additionally, consider the fact that you are playing a $2 tournament. People playing for $2 are not typically too worried about making a bad mistake and losing their $2.

Finally, recognize that this single hand is in no way evidence of riggedness. I mean, do you really think PS has it set up for this lady to win $2 tournaments?

This entire hand could be chalked up to one simple phrase that any tournament player is familiar with: LOL Donkaments.

Sherman

I thought this once upon a time but after much research myself i came to the realisation that i sucked at cards

I wont comment on PS being rigged or any of the sites.
Im here 2 post that Monteroy is the biggest clown joker fool to type rubbish.
Capitalism is free markets huh??? please explain 2 us all how they are free??
you were right about the comrade tho shows your sheep following character.

Woo a mini manifesto, I like those.

Rough hand. $2 tourney entry - well that is a shocking buy in level for a rigged believer. Probably higher than the stakes OP actually plays...

I will give a hint at how relatively free markets work. Forces known as competition and supply and demand are a big part of the equation.

Use the force young riggedologist.

A couple hands from a rerun of the 2008 WSOP.

Pocket 10's against KJ off suit. All in either.

Board: 6 7 8 9 10 What a hand

Phil H. raises preflop with J4 off small stack goes all in KQ, and Phil has to call another 10,000 of course, and looses, and is surprising gracious. i only use this to set up the next hand.

Phil H. has pocket 88's and raises three times the BB. Called by player holding Q 10 off.
The flop j 9 5, Phil raises other player calls. Turn 8 Phil raises other player calls. River is a blank and Phill raises. Other player reraises and Phil just calls and loses...He goes on and on what an idiot that guy was for calling his postflop raise chasing...What you all think about it...By the way the guy is a big internet player with the nickname of the punisher or something.

88 against Q 10

Board: J 9 5 8 4

We will never know since nobody is allowed near the servers. Until a real regulatory agency can inspect the hardware we will still have to watch the two outers win all the time and have the site tell us it's "variance"