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Old 08-24-2016, 08:27 AM   #1
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Anyone knows that a good sociopath believes his lies. So if i have the second nuts and i look afraid, and im genuinely afraid, wheres the tell?
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Old 08-24-2016, 05:50 PM   #2
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Anyone knows that a good sociopath believes his lies. So if i have the second nuts and i look afraid, and im genuinely afraid, wheres the tell?
If you honestly think that the second nuts is no good, then there is no tell. You will look honestly weak.

Even amongst the most self deluded, though, there is a moment of hesitation, of slight deliberation, where you make up your mind to interpret your situation one way or the other. This micropause is the tell.

When I am in a situation where I am inclined to bluff, I will tell myself before I even get cards that I have a big pair, and to act accordingly. I don't want to have that moment where it is clear that I am contemplating something.
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Old 08-24-2016, 11:11 PM   #3
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Re: lying to yourself

Truth is: if you're an experienced player who makes a concerted effort to be unreadable, you will probably be mostly unreadable (or near enough to where only very experienced players might be able to get an occasional read on you).

If you're saying that an insane person will be hard to read, yes, no argument there, lol. I don't think there are many people playing poker who believe the second nuts are no good and are fearful with it.

We study tells mainly to take advantage of people who have gaps or blind spots in their behavioral control. Not to try to read every single person at the table. Focus should be on weak spots. If you're experienced, you can try to read more experienced players, but it will generally be infrequent that you get a good read on experienced players.
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Old 08-26-2016, 01:51 AM   #4
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Re: lying to yourself

could you tell I was drunk when I made the Op? LOL
I can think second nuts isnt good, but I will play it in most situations even if im not confident.
in response to the above post- good players? I play live 1/2.
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Old 09-03-2016, 12:01 AM   #5
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could you tell I was drunk when I made the Op? LOL
I can think second nuts isnt good, but I will play it in most situations even if im not confident.
in response to the above post- good players? I play live 1/2.
No, I couldn't tell you were drunk. I thought you were high on cocaine. It was a bad read.
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Old 09-03-2016, 01:12 PM   #6
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the trick is to make yourself believe you have a strong hand, when you have a weak hand, in order to make a successful bluff. Also, do not be too obvious in concealing or conceding information. Be consistent in your mannerisms, and breathe.
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Old 01-19-2017, 01:22 PM   #7
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i know a dude who believes his lies is scary he enjoys lying to people and look them in the eyes

would u guys say that anyone who believes his own lies is a dangerous person?

normal people feel uncomfortable telling lies

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Old 01-24-2017, 01:51 PM   #8
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I begin to tell you the number of times I've folded to someone who I (and everyone at the table) perceived as holding a strong hand, only to find out that he misread his hand!

And, vice versa, I've bet into players I've read as weak...they called and then turned over a winning hand that they thought they didn't have (like two pair in HE, or a flush they didn't know they had in Omaha).

Bad players are easy to read...unfortunately, sometimes, they can't read their hands either!
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Old 01-25-2017, 05:11 PM   #9
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Tell on me ... I will always play at least one hand per session where I don't look at my cards and play them like AA or just strong in general.

Acting confident is also a good way to walk your way right down to some open seats court side at a lot of events. Certainly harder to do now than when I was doing it but here's a big hint ... Leave your coat in the car. Nothing like a coat wearing person for an usher to spot during the 2nd quarter/period of a sporting event. GL
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Old 02-14-2017, 10:58 AM   #10
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Anyone knows that a good sociopath believes his lies. So if i have the second nuts and i look afraid, and im genuinely afraid, wheres the tell?
Sometimes my eyes grow big with the ideal bluff card.
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Old 02-14-2017, 10:58 AM   #11
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Tell on me ... I will always play at least one hand per session where I don't look at my cards and play them like AA or just strong in general.

Acting confident is also a good way to walk your way right down to some open seats court side at a lot of events. Certainly harder to do now than when I was doing it but here's a big hint ... Leave your coat in the car. Nothing like a coat wearing person for an usher to spot during the 2nd quarter/period of a sporting event. GL
Don't be so confident nobody notices whether you look at your cards or not.
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Old 02-14-2017, 11:01 AM   #12
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would u guys say that anyone who believes his own lies is a dangerous person?
At the poker table, I'd rather be a dangerous person. I have learned to enjoy telling outright lies with more experience. I still feel bad about them, though less bad. Don't know if that makes me crazy.

Also, this is someone game theory made simple, but sometimes I have a jack, and will tell myself, "If a queen flops, I have a queen".
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Old 02-18-2017, 12:12 PM   #13
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I was playing tired yesterday and started to believe my own bluffs out of vague stupidity, had aces up in stud when irl I had a pair of deuces, lol. Crazy up in here.
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