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Originally Posted by psujohn
Yeah for the white vs red I'm not pointing out the difference unless the dealer says it wrong or the caller puts in the wrong amount.
In the theoretical though is there necessarily anything wrong with putting out a bet that's intentionally misleading to the opponent? My gut is that it's wrong and if someone sneaks 2 black in with 13 red we should point it out if the dealer doesn't but one of the local rooms here has the policy (not always followed) that dealers NOT announce bet sizes unless the other player asks. And furthermore the room poker director has said (here on 2+2) that the reason for the rule is the poker is in part a visual game and he actually wants to allow the calling player a chance to make a mistake on the bet size.
I kinda disagree with that all around but I'd assume in this room it would be out of line for anyone - dealer or player - to point out that those 15 chips were 265 and not 75.
I think we should distinguish between a chip mixed among others and hidden chips. If the placement of the chips makes some of them non visible.... that is a problem
If its simply mixed or non standard size stacks .... that fact should be readily apparent to the opponent who has the otion to ask for a count.
I don;t think not announcing bet sizes is about letting players make mistakes, in the sense of being tricked into believing a bet is $X amount when it is realy $Y. Its about about letting a player represent his bet in a physical way which he thinks may convey strength or weakness to have his opponent make a mistake.
If I shove out a mass of chips trying to make it feel like an imposing bet, then if the dealer is going to break it down and announce the amount it may not seem as imposing......
But I don;t want anyone who is actually counting the bet to be misled about the bet. So hidden chips should be exposed.
I think the most important reason for dealers not counting the et is time saving and allowing the dealer to fous where the action is, not where it was.....