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Originally Posted by madlex
No, because that responsibility moves from the player to the dealer once the hand is tabled.
IÂ’m not saying the best tabled live hand shouldnÂ’t win. IÂ’m saying that I am OK with declaring the hand dead before it was tabled because doing that might be in the best interest for the game. IÂ’m generally OK with the latter if thereÂ’s a justifiable interpretation of the rules leading to that. Even if I donÂ’t agree with that interpretation of the rules.
To me, this starts making cut and dried decisions very grey by trying apply intent or just rewards to black and white matters of rule. Saying that you are OK, in some cases, of the best tabled, live hand not getting the pot because the player couldn't read the board, but in others, the best tabled, live hand should get the pot, even if they misread the board is a little too subjective in my opinion. I suppose you could use rule 1 to justify anything, but I worry what happens the next time a guy is tanking, holding a card funeral, and the guy next to him gets impatient and flips his hand over.
There are very simple and well known tests to apply here
1. Did the player fold? No, he can't fold at showdown
2. Did the player muck? No, the cards were not yet mixed unidentifiably into the muck
3. Is the player's hand tabled? Yes, both cards are face up, flat on the table, and visible
4. Is his hand the best hand? Yes
I am all for 86'in Player 8, but I don't see anyway to justify not giving player 7 the pot without changing the rules in ways that can be very exploitable and abusive