A few nights ago I got in a situation at the local casino where I noticed a marked corner of a card, I should have said something right then but did not. On a subsequent hand I was facing an all in bet on the flop And I noticed the card in the dealers stack and knew that this card was going to give me a set on the turn after the burn. How would you guys have handled this situation?

It's the house responsibility​ and if you didn't do it then you literally have an edge lol, go for it you might of been wrong too but if your for sure it's the houses problem.

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Our house has cards switch every 2-3 hours and it cost them 50 cents per pack or something.

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I should have probably said something but really thought nothing of it when I first noticed it, it was just a small kind of pushed corner, on the subsequent hand I just happen to get a good view at the right time and noticed it.

I didn't say anything until after the session, I knew the gentleman that lost and spit the pot with him in private. I really didn't want to open this can of worms at the time. I don't think it was intentionally marked.

Would you have called the bet if you didn't know what the Turn was going to be?

I'm skeptical that anyone would be able to notice a mark on a card that wasn't the top card in the deck unless they were specifically looking for it. Why were you even looking at the stub while you were considering the bet?

I would obviously call the floor as soon as I saw the mark. If for whatever reason you didn't call the floor the first time, I would immediately call the floor when I saw the marked card in the stub.

Making use of knowledge of a deck you know to be marked in a poker game, whether or not you were to one that marked the cards, is cheating.

You know the answer to your question. I'm not even sure why I'm bothing to respond.

Knowingly playing with a deck/card which is marked is cheating. You and all players have an obligation to point out the marked card as soon as you notice it is marked.

Once you're at the point where you see the marked card and use that knowledge to your advantage it is too late to avoid being a cheater, but you should still point it out at that point, which you again failed to do. After the hand was over you could have pointed it out as well, which it doesn't appear you did either.

Waiting until after the session to split the pot with your buddy doesn't make it any better. If anything, it makes the cheating worse, and makes you more likely to get caught.

It's also not clear to me how you noticed the marked card in the deck, since burn cards should prevent that.

Pure cheating...as stated above

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So, I am in Seat 8 and tell the dealer "This card is marked" and toss it toward him and it lands a couple of feet in front of Seat 9.

Seat 9 says "Yeah, I can see it too."

Dealer grabs the card, bring it up to his face and says "I don't see anything." He adds it to the muck and sticks it in the Shuffler.

What do I do?

Call the floor...tell the rest of the players what card is...and at least you tried instead of hiding the information and using it to win pots.

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This sort of thing has happened to me once, I noticed multiple creased cards over the course of the session. I reported the first few to the dealer, who called the floor and they were swapped with new cards. Later, more creased cards kept appearing and I chalked it up to the way a certain player was looking at his cards. The dealer blamed it on the automatic card shuffler.

The player was an old fart, I assumed he wasn't doing it on purpose... except that only aces and kings ended up with a crease.

Later, when I was facing a big bet where I'm beaten by any ace... and saw the crease on the back of the betters card... I folded. Was this unethical?

Anyways this was a long time ago, low stakes, and the floor didn't seem concerned with why there were 3 aces with creases in the deck (that I pointed out) ... so I just let it go, and made sure that all the players knew of my suspicion.

My answer to you is this... YES, any ethical player would have pointed it out. You mind as well have marked the card(s) yourself. And if you're going to cheat and not point it out, then don't ****** collude on top of it.

^^^ This.

The dealer likely doesn't want to handle it because it will slow down the game and cost him tips. By calling it out each time you see it and having the table go in an uproar, the game will go even slower and even a dim dealer will figure out it is in his best interest to replace the card.

OP, you cheated. Your split of the pot later doesn't absolve you. Your buddy would have won the whole thing since you would have never called having a 3 outer.

When shufflers get out of whack, they can mark many/most/all cards. I have played in rooms where the shufflers would mark the cards. There is nothing you can do about it in those sorts of rooms (other than play somewhere else), and no real advantage to it because so many cards get randomly marked so quickly.

Now, if you are correct and it was not all cards but just Aces, then obviously that is something else entirely. I'm just saying that the times I've been told it's the shuffler, it really has been the shuffler, even though one's brain starts in the most paranoid place about it.

Marked cards should be reported to the dealer at once.
It is , first of all , the ethical thing to do.

If that doesn't matter enough to you, consider the fact that some other players likely notice it too and could use it against you in a later hand.

I saw a card with a crease (like a nail mark) on the back. Told the dealer it was marked. He looked and said it was just the shuffler.

A little while later I saw another card with a similar mark. Pointed it out to the dealer. He said just the shuffler but I can call the floor if you insist. I said just play on.

A little while later I saw a third card with the same mark. All 3 cards where Aces (of different suits). We called the floor who removed the deck.

If the 7 is marked - probably the shuffler. If half the cards in the deck are marked - probably the shuffler. If only the Aces are marked - probably not the shuffler.

Calling the floor would be effective but boring.

Instead, announce to the table what the card is and what the mark is. Then point it out every time you see it dealt.

"There's the ace of spades! Seat five has the ace of spades!"

What I really think happened in my case was that the shuffler was indeed forming an indentation on the backs of most or all the cards. The one player would then take advantage of the plausible deniability, and was then bending the aces and kings along the weak spot of the card so it would form a thicker crease.

You could see the aces and kings on the flop all had creases in the middle of the card, but no other card FRONT had evidence of a crease. Many backs were indented from the shuffler, but the aces and kings were not just indented but bent and creased in a distinguishable way.

But who knows, I may have just been extra paranoid that day. I did go about 8/10 for where I was dealt a creased card and guessed what rank it was. It was certainly a unique experience and didn't really effect the game in my opinion. Plus, my "suspect" ended up losing, not definitive could have a partner? .... yeah, it's just one of those things where you can't be certain, but get a really weird vibe. Eventually, I ended up moving tables.

Yeah that will never get people angry when the dealer takes back their pocket aces or when you happen to be wrong.

While I agree in a vacuum a lot of people at the table simply aren't going to appreciate someone pointing out marks left and right or even one instance. Also you need to protect yourself from giving up pots while others would never do that in a million years like in the example of OP. If there is a 1%+ chance that I'm calling without "knowing" the next card and that situation is profitable I am costing myself. What if you have an overpair and are always calling but the turn happens to give you a set. What if you have the nuts on the flop and the turn is a blank. I don't expect complete strangers to just void the hand and for that reason I won't let myself get freerolled.

The answer to OP is clear of course; the ethical thing to do is to call it out. I say in between hands when I suspect cards have been marked. Since I won't actually try to look at them on purpose I am at a disadvantage anyways in such a game where cards are marked. I'd rather have a fair game than not obviously.

PS: oh and imagine the **** storm when you see that the turn improves your hand but villain flopped a straight and now you've voided the hand.

WHAT I USED TO DO IN THIS SPOT: Shuffle the card in question with 4-5 random cards, spread them, and ask the player to pick out the card with the mark I couldn't see.

They would successfully do it, every single time. So now when they point out a mark, I don't even bother to look for it, I just take their word for it.

I was dealing a tournament once and someone pointed out a crease in a card, someone else said yeah a bunch of the cards have them. Old guy points to the middle of the table and says "It's the machine!" I ask him if he's referring to me, because there was no shuffle machine on the tables and the cards were new at the beginning of the day. I say it's almost as if one of the players had long squared off fingernails and had been jamming them into the cards. Sure enough old guy had long squared off fingernails.

It wasn't just aces, it was random cards so I doubt he was doing it on purpose.

These marks are usually lengthwise creases near the middle. Over time they begin to look very uniform, as if made by a shuffle machine.

As a dealer I want to say "Ok, who's the DB jamming their fingernails into these cards?" but I don't.

When you sit down at the table you have a 'responsibility' to the game at hand. Saying something when you notice it is expected when it might have an influence on future results. Certainly don't say anything until the hand is over ... If the dealer wont do anything for you, then by all means call or go talk to the floor.

The first time I went to my wife's family New Year's party they all wanted to play poker. Just a friendly game ... After about 20 minutes I start to really pay attention to the cards and figure out an issue.

After a hand finished I asked if they had another deck and got a bunch of strange looks. So I grab the deck and fan it out ... and start sorting the cards. More strange looks. Once I get done sorting I ask if anyone wants to play euchre? More strange looks. I then roll the deck over and show them I sorted a perfect euchre deck without seeing any of the cards! They had played so much euchre that the color on those cards was much more faded than the other cards so I would know if they had high or low cards based on that.

It's not fair to keep playing this way IMO. Each player has their own opinion on this and it could change based on who the 'opponent' is ... see the Phil Ivey card case. I think you will get some respect for sure, but you also 'expose' yourself to letting the players know you pay attention to detail as well. GL

I wonder how many here even know what a euchre deck is? Hint think half a pinochle deck. Unles you are playing double deck bid euchre then it is a pinochle deck.

Btw where did the 6's and 4's fall out? I would have expected them to be worn also.

6s and 4s for score cards are very common, but they would not be shuffled or held or tossed as much as the main deck. Also only 4 of the 8 would be used and likely rotated for sessions. So the wear on them would likely be less even though they are part of a euchre game.

I believe in karma so I usually say something. But srsly if you noticed it, odds are someone else did too. Keep it clean.

edit: if you noticed it multiple times in a short period, someone is doing it on purpose. Call the floor and get a table change imo.