Title sums it up I think. Am I allowed a hand or must I wait?

You cannot move into the button position, and must wait a hand (or BTB). To best illustrate this, button should be "dead" and move to right until it hits an active player, so you'll see you're now in the BTB seat instead of on the button.

Depending on game and room rules, you may need to post as well, or wait for natural BB, or deal off to the same position before getting a hand.

No you can't move seats onto the button without waiting at least one hand.

Why should how long you've been playing at the table have anything to do with it? Sounds like entitlement issues

What do you mean by into the button? You mean you move onto the seat where the button would be? or you mean you move closer to the button? if closer to the button do you mean away from the blinds to towards the blinds?

You have to wait. I don't get why you think how long you've been at the table should factor into this. Rules are in place for everybody.

This makes no sense. How can you move seats into the button? You can't. SO maybe restate your question I guess...

I'm assuming you mean a player busted out and left and that player would have been the button the next hand and you moved into that seat. If that is the case, you would be moving in between the button and SB. You could then buy the button or wait one hand for the button to pass you. The button would still be in the seat to your right for the current hand.

Unfortunately, some rooms/dealers will move the button into the empty seat, rather than keeping it dead on the last active player, which causes this issue.

Also, sometimes you actually have to move the button counterclockwise to avoid having it be in an empty seat, because both the SB and the BUT bust out on one hand.

Let's say 5 is empty, 6 would be the SB and 7 the BB. You're trying to move to 5. In most rooms, the button should freeze on 4 and you can buy the button or wait one hand.

There are some rooms (Rivers in Pittsburgh comes to mind) where you can't buy the button so it's possible some house rule stopped you from moving. Or, maybe the dealer was trying to tell you that you can wait one and come in free but didn't get the message out clearly. Or, maybe you're leaving some important piece of information out like there was going to be a dead small.

Half the posts are trying to figure out what you mean. Come back, gather your thoughts and explain what you want to know

Actually, most everyone figured out what he likely meant. And those that asked for clarification also added their response on what they assumed he meant. Your post, OTOH, added nothing but a condescending tone which is the sort of thing we try and avoid in LCP, so that people like this OP feel welcome and comfortable asking questions.

Idunno man, that thread title / post content combo is one of the funniest I've seen. We can be welcoming while expecting that people invest an ounce of effort.

I really felt the title was self explanatory. Obviously if someone says they move into the button and are asking if they can play they are talking about moving into the seat where the button was due to be before any adjustments, and are asking if they can play as the button. It wasn't really that complicated a question IMO, even if not articulately expressed.

But mainly I felt that the post I quoted added nothing of value to the thread but an attitude. Don't you think the OP, upon reading the other posts, might figure out that some people were seeking clarification without that guy's post?

But maybe it just hit me wrong at the end of a long day. It just struck me as a smart ass response with no useful information.

Had small discussion about this last night. I think most of the room rules have already been covered so far.

Obviously most rules prevent this, but I have no issue with a player moving into the Button as long as he posts both blinds or straddles. I don't really care if he is from the table or not. This would open up a huge can of worms however where players may constantly maneuver around a short-handed table looking to pay the price for position. Something that would need to be policed .. or just left unallowed as it is now.

If the room allows for it, I think allowing this player to buy the Button OOP is a nice compromise in a cash game. In tournament play a new (or moved) player IS allowed to take the Button. Obviously there are no requested seat changes in tournaments, so that prevents a player from chasing position and, of course, there is no buying the Button in tournaments. Which is why a player must wait a hand if he is seated (new or moved) between the SB and 'rightful' Button player/seat.

If tournament player is seated into the 'rightful' Button then they are allowed to take a hand. I saw this happen 4 times at the same table since for some reason the BBs were being stubborn and busting and it took 1 hand to get the new player there. Thus the Button was on the seat where the BB busted when that player sat down.

I know I'm off the wall at times (maybe all the time) but I think this is a spot where the tournament rules are 'better'. Players want to play .. get them some cards, but figure out if they need to pay a price or not. GL

The tournament rule is a good one, but it cannot really be used in a cash game fairly, because in a tournament you have no choice where you sit and can't wait for the button to pass, but in a cash game you get to choose to seat change whenever you want and decide how and when you will come back in. The rules for each then naturally follow the realities.

I disagree. Would say a player moves into the button could very reasonably mean he moves toward the button not necessarily onto the button.



For example if the Large blind was in seat 3, and seat 5 was empty and you were in seat 9 if you asked me if you could move to seat 5 without posting, I might explain that you never have to post when you are moving into the blinds. Seat 5 isn't the blind the next hand I just mean you are moving to a seat which is closer to the blinds.

I saw your first post stating that. That's why in my first post I said that "most" posters got it. . The button is a singular spot. Most people think there is a difference between moving into and moving towards but not into to a singular spot.

But it's NBD and everyone read what they read into it.