I don't follow much televised poker, but I was interested in seeing durr in 2016 as a post in nvg suggested he looked like he was on drugs at the beginning of the year but now he looked a lot better.

Anyhow I clicked on this: (Im not sure exactly how to imbed a video, maybe someone could do that for me). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZFF_XjJe9M

I have never seen the villain in the clip so I could be way off but he looks to have all the characteristics of a typical middle aged LLSNL guy.

Perhaps there's a lot of history between them, but in a vacuum id say durr played this pretty awful too, I can't see how any worse hands are calling bar Ah x a lot of which also contain a pair and have massive equity against him and maybe the specific hand he has (which I assume has to be the very bottom of his calling range). Maybe durr had such a handle on him he could narrow him down to rarely having JJ QQ KK AA AQ with the guys sizing on the flop or perhaps even tells hehe (I guess he blocks a lot of KK/QQ combinations but still), Anyway's I guess thats for a strategy forum so.........

It's really the touching of the face the leaning back when called and the table talk I thought might be kind of interesting to people here, and perhaps applicable to the games most of us play in.

That video is from poker after dark, which was cancelled in 2011. The same year the other guy in the hand, Alan Melzer died.

durrr played the hand 100% like he played his hands on television back then.

Thanks, well you got me googling and it seems Alan was a real stand up guy, very generous and led a super interesting life.

Do you think it's possible Durr played it this way for the cameras? That's pretty interesting/funny if it's thats the case, I mean I really know next to zero about televised poker. I do remember a Bart Hanson podcast where he talks about watching Durr play and how he was quite incredible.

I guess there's a lot going on in this clip that I might not have been aware of, without knowing any of that and "in a vacuum" if you will, I feel like I've seen a lot of middle aged men at the table who would play this hand in a very similar fashion and reacted much the same way verbally and physically.

I have no clue, but back then there was always talk about durrr and other guys playing crazy for the camera for image purposes.

Besides that, all those high stakes poker and poker after dark episodes are 5-10 years old and poker was just a very different game back then.

This was a great week (actually 2 weeks) of poker on this show. I don't remember if this was week 1 or week 2 of the event so there may have already been a dynamic between them.

1) Alan made a lot of money in movies I believe and told some great stories on the shows. I know he was new to poker on TV and 'Pro' poker and came out of the Hollywood home game scene. So the fact that you see his 'antics' as similar to LLSNL is very much on target.
A) He shows genuine concern both PF and Flop when action is on him. He wore his emotions on his sleeve in pretty much every hand he played with a 'come and get me' style. The single touching of the lips both PF and Flop can be a sign of concern from an opponent. Lots of opponents touch their cheeks or ears in the same manner when bluffing or just 'uncomfortable'. They comment on this during "Live at the Bike" all the time and it's usually dead on.
B) The constant rubbing of the chin when Durr raises is also interesting, probably a combination of concern and adrenaline. He knows he probably behind and yet knows he has some very powerful outs most likely. (I didn't listen with sound this time, but have seen this episode a number of times)

C) Durr did play this way quite often on TV. He reads correctly that Alan is concerned about his hand and applies max pressure with his potential monster as well. I'm not sure how much they had played together before the show, but I don't think this would've affected Durr's decision here much. Applying max pressure to an amateur is nothing special and well executed IMO. He may not have known how deep Alan's pockets were but both players had hands that easily justify their actions.

When PAD had on Jerry Buss (Lakers), Alan or other 'rich' folk on site it's really easy to see the difference in the mannerisms from a Pro to a part timer and the 'ease' at which Pros could make decisions with based on the tells given off.

I find shows like PAD and The Big Game a much better learning tool than WSOP or WPT since they show pretty much every hand so you can see the flow of the game. Granted I agree that poker has changed a bit since these shows (go watch some HSP sometime and chuckle) have aired, but I think a little refresher course never hurts. GL

A few things I think are probably meaningful. Keeping in mind these are just cold reads and ideally you'd want to study Meltzer's for at least a few hands to see how much of this is common for him.

When Dwan 3-bets Meltzer to ~$8K, Meltzer quickly says "How much is that?" Quick verbal responses like this pre-flop will make AA and KK unlikely; they're usually a sign of some frustration with a decent but not great hand. With AA or KK here, most players would be likely to be "cagey" and silent and not want to draw attention to themselves, at least for a few seconds after the raise. This tell is mostly useful for when players call, to be more certain they're not slowplaying a big hand; for raises, I'm less likely to act on it, but I still think it makes AA or KK unlikely even when he raises here.

When the flop comes and Dwan checks, Meltzer double-checks his cards and stares at them for several seconds. Long stares generally make strong hands less likely. If Meltzer had flopped a flush or a set, I'd predict we wouldn't see him stare at his cards like this. (Double-checking hole cards before a significant bet makes a bluff unlikely in general, but it doesn't have to be a strong hand, just makes a bluff unlikely. So this fits with Meltzer's decent but not strong hand. If he were pure-bluffing here, I think he'd be less likely to double-check his cards before betting.)

That's all I've got.

Meltzer was in the music business. The deck literally ran over him in this episode. He knew the game but his skill level was below average.
The idiot puts 200k in the middle as an 8 to 2 dog in that hand and hits a 6 outer. He also looks at his hole cards like 8 times. My read on him was he had zero clue where he was preflop and post flop. Durr got it in great against a donkey and lost. All that face touching, questioning, leaning back was the sign of a dead ass. All you have to really do is look at the guys face.

The only idiot here is the guy who calls a dead man names for no reason.

I think Dwan just shoved trying to represent a draw and get called by a worse made hand. He knew the amateur would have trouble folding a worse combo draw. Plus he wants to get it in with the combo TPTK and strong draw. It would be more standard, particularly today to raise / get it in and push the turn if called.

Miltzer was probably a rich amateur. He got it in a 3-1 dog, but he thought he had a pair open ended straight draw and flush draw. The flush draw is often not good as was the case, so it is probably a bad call.

His play was idiot, you Twit.

You're all about class aren't you. When someone points out you were rude you defend your position and throw in an extra insult.

You're a POSSOB.

Hear hear,i second that.....WTF dude??!!!

Waiting for my turn now.

I wasn't insulting a dead man. I was merely insulting the play of a dead man. Go scratch your vaginas.

"THE IDIOT" was written. Specifically implying The Idiot Alan Meltzer. Not The Idiot play made by Alan Meltzer.