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Originally Posted by nofunnybzns1
I agree. Almost 100% of the time the higher amount was intended. So why are we punishing players who are clearly not trying to shoot an angle?
you are missing what he is saying. If the dealer declares it the lower size the player who bet it intending it to be the lower size will never raise a fuss.
the only time the player will raise a fuss is when they intended it to be larger ... but that doesn't mean that most of the time players intended it to be larger.
say it happens 1000 times
990 times the player intended it to be the lower amount and the dealer declares it to be the lower amount.
10 times the player intended it to be the higher amount and complains.
You see it as 100% of the 10 times there was a complaint the player intended it as the larger size ..... when in fact it is 1% of the time that it occurs.
Now that being said the current iteration of the TDA rule calls for the circumstances to be considered. See the addendum and illustrations to the rules:
Quote:
Rule 52: Non
-
Standard and Unclear Betting
“Also, whenever a declared bet can reasonably have multiple meanings, it will be ruled the
lesser value.”
If a declared bet technically has multiple values,
TDs may use
discretion
to determine what
value is most reasonable and in the best interest of the game. Decision factors may include
but
are not limited to
such considerations as: 1) keeping it the lower amount to enforce betting
discipline, 2)
recent bett
ing increments and
3) bet values relative to the current pot size
.
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: All Rights Reserved, Poker Tournament Directors Associ
ation. See use policy at
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.
Example 1:
NLHE 75
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150 blinds. Players A and B are SB / BB. Players C, D, and E call the
150 BB. There is 675 in the pot. Player F declares “Raise, five”, then
slowly
reaches for a 5
000
chip and tosses it forward. The declaration precedes the chip push, so the declaration of “five”
governs the bet. The preceding betting increments are all in the 100’s, and the pot is only
slightly larger than 500. While both 500 and 5000 are technically v
iable bets here, 500 is much
more in keeping with recent betting action and pot size
, and it enforces betting discipline
.
Example 2:
NLHE 75
-
150 blinds. Pre
-
flop there is 3200 in the pot. Post flop Player A opens for
2000. Players C, D, and E call. There
is now 11,200 in the pot. On the turn Player A declares
“Bet, five”, then tosses out a 5000 chip. While both 500 and 5000 are technically viable bets
here, 5000 is much more in keeping with recent betting action (which is in increments of 1000)
and pot si
ze which
at 11,200
is
more than
double
the maximum amount of A’s bet.
This said,
the TD may determine it is in the best interest of the game to enforce betting discipline and rule
the bet is 500Rule 52: Non
-
Standard and Unclear Betting
“Also, whenever a declared bet can reasonably have multiple meanings, it will be ruled the lesser value.”
If a declared bet technically has multiple values, TDs may use discretion to determine what value is most reasonable and in the best interest of the game. Decision factors may include but are not limited to such considerations as: 1) keeping it the lower amount to enforce betting discipline, 2) recent betting increments and 3) bet values relative to the current pot size
Example 1:
NLHE 75
-
150 blinds. Players A and B are SB / BB. Players C, D, and E call the
150 BB. There is 675 in the pot. Player F declares “Raise, five”, then
slowly reaches for a 5000 chip and tosses it forward. The declaration precedes the chip push, so the declaration of “five” governs the bet. The preceding betting increments are all in the 100’s, and the pot is only slightly larger than 500. While both 500 and 5000 are technically viable bets here, 500 is much more in keeping with recent betting action and pot size, and it enforces betting discipline
.
Example 2:
NLHE 75
-
150 blinds. Pre-flop there is 3200 in the pot. Post flop Player A opens for
2000. Players C, D, and E call. There is now 11,200 in the pot. On the turn Player A declares “Bet, five”, then tosses out a 5000 chip. While both 500 and 5000 are technically viable bets here, 5000 is much more in keeping with recent betting action (which is in increments of 1000) and pot size which at 11,200 is more than double the maximum amount of A’s bet.
This said, the TD may determine it is in the best interest of the game to enforce betting discipline and rule the bet is 500
I prefer these considerations over your proposed absolute rule.
There last betting round the vet was 200 and the total pot size was 800 and the player throws out a 5k chip while saying "Five" and has no smaller chips yur rule would make that a 5k bet when it was almost certainly intended to be a 500 bet.