show some love my way darling, i concocted the reddit thread and brought light to the nonsense. Buy me a drink.. xoxoxoxoxoxo

yes bhoy it's all good, wasnt saying you should do anything else. your comments were just written in a way that could be taken the wrong way and I was simply pointing that out.

there are just some people who either don't get it (maybe some of these change after the explanations) and some who are hating either cause of jealousy or cause they want to find something/anything at all to blame for poker passing them by (like the nvg training site thread zz)

All the love and patron on me whenever(as long as I'm still a winning player) but you didn't risk anything. If for some reason this is a random person view botting his stream then you get to keep it moving with no repercussions. If that is the case then Jimmy has to eat a ton of crow no matter how many disclaimers he has in his posts.

As a wise man once said "show me the graph papi I need receipts"

This, it is basically equal to mutli accounting in the poker world.

With that said this was painfully obvious ever since he started streaming. He will also have 1.5k viewers but viewer list is under 100 names. Dude is kind of like watching paint dry and should stick to Youtube videos before scandals like this embarrass him/lose credentials.

well if u are a semifish like almost every streamer u need that ad money to keep urself rolled. Have some sympathy guys, surely most of u have been busto at some point.

No one is view botting his stream ( if that was the case any ethical person would contact twitch poker / twitch skype group and mention he thinks he is getting view botted I mean 1200 viewers looking @ your Twitter c'mon and flat lining @ 1500 viewers all day when staples / tonkaaaa bigdog etc were streaming . This is very bad / unethical and scummy .. Duping innocent twitch poker viewers to your stream while you try and up sell them hard with your affiliates / while taking viewers and potential revenue away from other streamers . Seems very greasy and scummy imho

I think it is unethical enough to viewbot in order to bump you up the rankings to get visibility as a route to get genuine viewers / subs..and perhaps have some click through to affiliate links. But to me it seems worse if your stream is also just one big plug for your own business.

The likes of Staples Crew are "selling" entertainment and have some affiliate links, but they aren't trying to pass themselves off as top tier MTTers, who we should all buy coaching products from and using their popularity on twitch to leverage that.

Gripsed is primarily using his twitch stream to sell himself and his training business. Thus, it is even more important for him to appear as if he has a huge following wanting to lap up his live play in MTTs which legitimizes his coaching products. If he had 20 viewers, a random logging on wouldn't take a second look at his training stuff. Perhaps his legion of Get Stackin followers all log on and view as a group in a way that doesn't follow the norm for viewer base on twitch, but those that know a lot more about twitch don't seem to think that is likely.

Affiliate meta battle?

You're misconstruing, terribly. It's not just the viewers, that would be like the eggs for a cake. He has subscriber bots that he tells what to write. He is always concocting some **** no one knows about.

Reason I made the thread on reddit, took me 20 min to do. Hottest poker reddit thread in some time. And I didn't do it because of the view count. I did it because of the sick manipulation he thinks he's getting away with.

His stream is like the circus. Everything bro, is a show. He has bots ask questions, think about the mind needed to think this would be plus ev. All a man has, is his balls and his word. If you're this grimy, I wouldn't shake your hand salesman.

He was getting away with it for some time, and I at times would take a look at his stream. He was getting cocky with it, that stupid grin, the bots typing !win !lfg !gchips !colors. What legit viewer is gonna write !colors back to back. He's getting really ****ing stupid with it, made my stomach turn.

I thought I had no other choice, I used to stream last year and end of 2014. Name is FTHustla420, I'd be happy with one viewer, it only took one for me to play optimally.

This kid is a joke, we got parker and jaime in on our legion. I never thought this would blow up the way it did. I appreciate it.

Holla at yo boi

I agree that what Gripsed does is scummy, but what rubs me the wrong way is that Jaime is trying to take the moral high ground here, saying that he is "stealing from the community". Are we to forget that you tried to auction $100+ MTTs away for 2,x markup? You are saying that Gripsed is taking advantage particularly of the "new viewers" while maintaining that everybody should be well enough informed to look you up on sharkscope to find out your lackluster results in highstakes games and then adapt that knowledge into reasonable mark up arguments?

Yes you tried to argue your way out of it by basically calling 2,x markups an "entertainment fee". But if that's not preying on the weak, I don't know what is.

Just my 2 cents.

Doesn't make sense 2.0 mark up. The market he sells on I thought he was at like 1.2. You sure you got your numbers correct. 2.0 sounds impossible to me.

And its not what gripsed did....I mean cmon, pay attention, its what he is. You need to understand that. He has 0 people skills, to him, its all a show. Lets not speak about genes in the past tense please. The kid is so lame, hurts my eyeballs.

Before he went to pokermarket, he tried to sell here on 2+2. And yes, 2,x+ mark ups were discussed as "potentionally fair" by him. He took a lot of opposition from regulars and decided to tone it down a bit and find poker market as a safe haven instead of a forum where people can discuss stuff.


Oh yes, I agree with everything said about Gripsed. No question here, it's just that the poker world forgets so quickly it saddens me.

(Edit: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/16...18/index4.html One of the threads mentioned.

This was really well written. I dig your style.

there is a marketplace, if you are not misleading or dishonest then if supply and demand drive up the price why is it the sellers problem? it's a potentially grey area when/if it is implied the shares are +ev I guess.
point I'm making is there's nothing unethical about an auction. if the bidders bid up the price and overpay, hating on the seller is unfair if s/he hasn't been misleading or deceptive. it's obv different if the seller posts misleading stats and lists at an unbeatable market.

also for twitchers in particular, don't see why there isn't some merit in the argument people are voluntarily paying some premium for entertainment. people make donations or subscribe for a fee, this is quite similar. and, in particular, twitchers are giving up their time and effort to stream which is not only entertainment (and/or education) for viewers, they are giving up some ev by letting others (including those who don't contribute anything or buy shares etc) see their hole cards, thought process and so on.

postflop, my last post was meant as an eyeopening remark that most streamers are streaming because they are not good enough to beat the games, but dont want to leave the poker world. Its understandable that these ppl are ready to do almost everything to make an extra buck. It shouldnt come as a surprise that desperate players are using desperate measures to keep the dream alive. Seriously ppl should realize if somone is trying to sell coaching on twitch he probably isnt a good player and is targeting clueless recs.

Also big LOL to that 2.x markup story, thats ridic if its true. Even w 1,2 markup for 100$ donkaments investors have to be dumb as ***** if they agree to this unless its a major sunday donkament, because his fundamentals are pretty limited as far as i have seen.

Let's not derail this thread with what make up Jamie can or can't get / what his roi is .. It's about the deceptive / unethical behaviour that gripsed is displaying infront of the twitch / poker community . I also noticed it after spending 5 min on his stream he's view botting (who would watch that ??) maybe he's like David koresh and has his minions following him ? (again who would follow him )

Most streamers are streaming because they are not good enough to beat the games? Dragging some story about markup into this?

C'mon trolls you've got to focus up here...

This has to be a troll right?

I don't think this applies to any of the regular streamers and certainly none of the top handful.

Even if this is targeted at Gripsed it doesn't really apply considering he's probably up 150k the last 2 months which includes a 30k score on stream. He doesn't offer poker coaching, but has a website with a lot of free content and sells some cheap poker material geared toward beginners.

PewDiePie has 19,000,000 subs and some videos have anywhere from 300k to 72mil . JCarver gets twice as many views as subs. Gripsed also has some vids around 200k.

Every channel is different, i'm sub to some that I've only watched one video.

He's kinda like a better call saul imo.

cmon man, a couple of lucky tourneys in the midst of constant/repetitive donkey ***** game play means little.

I appreciate the reference, but Gripsed is heaps more grimy/slimy than Saul. Saul has true character, tough to come by nowadays.

Not sure PewDiePie is comparable with anything and I agree every channel is different.

However, lets take JCarver, long time YouTube channel, very very popular, massive social media following (55k followers on twitter), 35k Youtube subs and we know gets massive following on twitch. And looking at the video view count you are wrong with the gets twice as many views. Most videos are in the 10-15k range of view, and certainly none with 300-400 total views. They all get a few k.

Do you not think that Gripsed having 55k subs on YouTube seems a tad high? When only has 8k followers on twitter? Gets seemingly minimal legit traffic on twitch etc. Then for some vids gets a few 100, some 1-2k and then the odd few large amounts.

I am not saying he has boosted, but if he is boosting twitch, why wouldn't you also boost on Youtube? It is very very cheap thing to do.

Gripsed has 500-600 videos on youtube with a far greater amount of content maybe the clicks/views is dispersed over a wider range ? add the fact that Jaime has a larger following on Twitch that he sends to youtube to view recorded Twitch content (ie the content they prefer to watch) and that may explain the numbers some what ? I am not saying this is so I am directing this as question really .

you need to get lost, you're not welcome in my reddit thread either but like a genital wart, you linger. Straddling Gripsed like a muppet minion. You got no credibiity. All you have are excuses, and hypothetical's. Please show us your picture, i gotta know what you look like .....