That has to do something w/ stars taking over gpl. Two starspro playing hu.

Is jaime even streaming anymore? RIP BRO

he's at ept malta

How do you call off your stack and get busted 4 hands into a 5k main with JJ? Be Jaime Staples I guess.

You made an account just to post that?

It was the 4th level not the 4th hand was reported on the stars blog somewhere. Creating a new account to post derogatory hyperbole is really the nut low internet game.

Haha pretty funny I think... It was actually a pretty dumb spot he was in regarding that hand.. A very low percentage of the time Eugene has Queens in that spot

why do you care about what a stranger is doing on the internet?

i get my info from Jaime himself, guy.

https://twitter.com/jaimestaples/sta...62885307142148

Well the blinds were 150/300 so 100 bigs deep and the 4th level. He may have late regged and was his 4th hand but dusting off 100 bigs isn't like getting 300 bigs in on the actual 4th hand of the tournament is it. Oh and good to see you didn't dispute my second sentence scared to post on your own account what a guy.

this is my second account only because i dont remember the password (or username for that matter) of my first one.

Jaime had a brain fart and thought he was playing a Spin and Go or something. that's how far his game has regressed.

Nobody in this threads thinks staples is an all star so not sure what you're getting t here

I guess im just curious why someone would make a new account on a forum just to berate someone?

Jealousy , insecurity?

I cant think of many other reasons, if you wanted to give him critical feedback you would have worded it differently.

Great first post on the new account - an attempt to be cruel won't endear you to the poker community and in the long run may reduce the help you are given in the future.


The Malta JJ hand seems like a bit of a cooler really, it isn't an incredibly bad mistake. It is not the 4th hand from the start of the tournament but 4th played in the 4th level by a late starting J.S.

https://br.pokernews.com/tours/ept/2...hips.44148.htm

Cliffs, I think it is pretty close, break even to slightly positive chip ev, so not a bad play.

It starts 100bb deep, Jaime utg raises to 2.33b with JJ. Eugene calls from utg+1 and this starts a call cascade, 4 more call and then the BB shoves for a squeeze looking 17bbs.

As Eugene Katchalov is rather good it is extra difficult to get a narrow range on the initial call, he could easily have about a 10 to 15% range including AA. Some hands like TT, JJ(v unlikely), and QQ would have to be discounted slightly as these would get often 3-bet. If there are a couple of aggro shorter stacks, like the BB, then Eugene could easily cold call with QQ and KK hoping for a later squeeze so they can't be discounted too heavily, also some AQ or AK would also be sometimes willing to hope for a squeeze.

Just before the BB squeeze the pot is 1.5bb + (2.33 * 4) + (1.5 in antes) = 12.32 (or 11.82 if SB in)
The BB pushes and so the pot is then 17.5 + 12.32 = 29.82, and it is about 16 to call.
The BB could be moderately weak, say 77+, AT+

It is a tricky choice at the Jaime call point, a re-raise is too large might as well be allin and a fold seems too weak with JJ. A call seems about best to me - Jaime would look strong, possibly holding AA, also it gives a faint possibility of a later allin followed by another call, allowing an easier Jaime fold (as very likely a later slow played monster hand present).

When Eugene goes allin (effectively) he could easily have AA, slightly less likely QQ or KK. These, with the AA, are three value holdings and there is also some possibility of AK or even AQs, these are more like drawing hands.

Eugene can and often would balance his holding and so you could easily expect perhaps 1.5 times as many bluff hands to balance the value ones. Does he balance here? Does he only have pure value hands? My vote would go for some balance here.

So E.G 'shoves' and gives J.S an approx break even Hand Equity of:
Break-Even HE = 82/(100 +100 + 18.5 + 12) = 82/230 = 36.5%

It is very difficult to calculate this three way spot, with the smaller BB pot so I tried out the hand in CardrunersEV.

If E.G pushes just JJ+,AK the J.S call is negative 872 chips, or 2.9bbs.
(With E.G. on AA,99-66,AJs-A7s,KQs-KJs,QJs,JTs,AJo-A9o,KQo,[80]KK-TT,AKs-AQs,AKo-AQo[/80] as initial call and the push range of AA-JJ,AKs,AKo nb, the AK and KK-QQ hands are still discounted to 80% at the shove point)

This is a really narrow range for E.G and I would expect a more balanced range, if I add AQs to the E.G. shove range I get +215 chips.

Perhaps the AK hands would not often flat the utg raise but some hands above just QQ are needed. It is in fact pretty hard to come up with accurate ranges for very good, tricky players but with just very few extra hands ,here just the AQs the call becomes positive. I would expect a few more really so my vote goes for this being +ve chip EV wise - but there is plenty of scope for error. You could say that you need to account for some edge but I wouldn't give much as even if I did have a very decent overall expected edge allowing a very good player on your immediate left to push you off a big pot is very dangerous as you then have to play really carefully for the next few orbits and you have lost a lot of power to a powerfully stacked good player, an uncomfortable position.

Eugene should be flatting his whole range there so think your numbers are off. Is a mistake imo but so what if your going to call him out at least get the details right. 4th hand of the tournament is alot different than 4th level isnt it.

Highly disagree with Eugene should be flatting his whole range there. Seeing a flop with Aa Kk qq 4 or 5 way is a disaster. Not sure what planet you're playing poker on. I agreee with the an above post... Break even slightly winning.. It's a dumb spot

No matter what people think of the play, thanks BaseMetal2 for posting the above analysis.

Here is a little bit more.

If I set Eugene's calling range to
AA-66,AJs-A7s,KQs-KJs,QJs,JTs,AJo-A9o,KQo,KK-TT,AKs-AQs,AKo-AQo
(I have taken out any discounting)
and set his shove range to
AA-JJ,AKs-AQs,AKo
then this is +ve 690 chips for the final call with JJ.

If I set the EK shove range to
AA-JJ,AKs,AKo
the JJ call is then -713

If I set it to AA-JJ
the JJ call is very bad at -10856 chips, or -36bb's

If I bring in a couple of smaller pairs, AA-99 the call is again +ve at 4050 chips

E.K would assume J.S had a strong hand and so not be too wild but I still think E.K's range should include some hands to go along with the value ones of QQ+. If he only ever shoved value hands he is losing chips in the long run. Typically you can normally add more bluffs the bigger your bet size is, so a 2x the pot shove can carry a decent amount of bluffs.

It seems to me to be at least quite close to OK to call the shove, possibly a mistake but not a terrible one. Sitting at the live poker table it would be extremely hard to put EG on a range and then also very hard to estimate the EV of the call. This seems to me to be a relatively small live mistake at worst.

(Warning, I do not have the exact hand history and I could have messed up inputting it into crv. and I also apologize for sometimes using E.G instead of E.K in the earlier post )

oh shut up. this thread is an ongoing open discussion about Staples that I did not create.

BaseMetal2,

Great work.

How easy would it be to look at it from Eugene's perspective? Assign ranges to BB and JS (after his first call), including calling/folding ranges to a shove. Then what range would it be profitable for EK to shove? Then use that range to back out JS's optimal play.

Maybe you've already essentially done that above?

I misread your post earlier and completely took out the discounts for the hands that could have easily been 3-betted by E.K. I had discounted them to 80% earlier.

If I heavily discounted QQ+ then the call for J.S gets better as there aren't too many combos, although then there would be less reason to have a lot of drawing/bluff hands so this will even up a bit.

I don't think flatting an utg raise with AA is particularly bad as 3betting will just take it down too often. Sometimes you get a later re-raise and sometimes not a cascade. If you do get a cascade of calls AA still isn't that bad, just now difficult to play, a great deal of care needed.

On my planet I wouldn't consider flatting these ranges normally but obviously Eugene Katchalov did in this hand and he outclasses me. I assume he did this because he had some sort of read that a later player would very likely re-raise the hand as I explained in the earlier post.

I think Eugene was the 4th caller (not UTG1). This played in Jaime's thinking.

With crv it is quite easy to get an answer to how profitable lines are if you can supply good input. (I think now it does do some PioSolver like solver lines as well but I have never used or mastered it so I couldn't really get anywhere near GTO lines).

I'll try putting a few ranges in for J.S's raise/call/folds as see what comes out for the E.K shove part assuming the other later players do fold. I don't know their stacks anyway - they should be a lot tighter than J.S if 100bb deep as his call also looks a strong move).

I'll set J.S call of the squeeze as AA-88,AKs-AQs,KQs,AKo-AQo, it's a bit wide but even so doesn't leave too many hands for Jaime to later fold.


With Jaime on this squeeze call range and if Jaime calls the E.K. push with AA-QQ,AKs,AKo then it is profitable for E.K to push with QQ+ AK.

If Jaime calls with AA-JJ,AKs,AKo then E.K can shove JJ+, AK

If Jaime calls with AA-99,AKs-AJs,AKo-AQo, then E.K can shove 99+, AJs+, AQo.

I am not completely sure of all the analysis but E.K's shove of QQ at this stage looks pretty smart. but would he have folded, called or incorrectly pushed with anything worse?

I have sympathy for Jaime as showing up late for this tourny and then being seated to the exact right of Eugene Katchalov would have seemed like bad luck before even his first hand was dealt. Unlucky there Jaime.
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just read your post.
Ah, ok. I can see this would change things from my analysis earlier. E.G could easily be a bit wider.

So I have no sympathy for J.S as he had a great seat .

Thanks man.

Are these "equilibrium" ranges? That is, does the circle close? Are those calling ranges optimal for Jaime given that Eugene puts him on those ranges?

Can the software "solve" for this situation or do you have to iterate ranges to find the equilibrium manually?

Anyway, thanks a million for doing this.

"Are these "equilibrium" ranges?" I am not too sure what you mean here. I have manually decided on the Jaime ranges just as examples and simply set E.G. to push all hands and then simply read off which ones actually show a profit from the push.

I am not sure what the solver part of the tool can do - I haven't read the instructions. I think there is quite a bit to learn about it. Crv is pretty flexible though and I would recommend it for any serious players. It has some advantages over the solvers in that it is very quick and easy to put ranges in for players to see what the ev is. It gets hard when many players are active in a hand though as the game tree gets really big and you have to populate it all manually (some short cuts are present though, call downs etc)