Rogue already has enough burst. When you get a minion to stick and oil flurry, you've generally already won. Picking up another 5 damage from mana addict when it sticks isn't as valuable as getting a minion to stick in the first place.

That doesn't take into account for mana addicts making trades more convenient. If mana addicts prevent some face tanking of minions I think it might have value outside of the combo.


Wasn't firebat messing around with mana addict in his deck?

Generally speaking though, rogue doesn't use its minions to trade. Once Rogue has its swing turn, it wants to send its minions face. If I boost a mana addict up to 5 or 7 attack, I'm not gonna trade with it in most circumstances. I want the damage. And prior to the swing turn, a ⅓ for 2 mana just sucksand doesn't fit the rogue game plan.

You mean Oil rogue. Some more minion based rogue decks like Pirates, trades are fine. Even in Oil decks, you do make minion trades when you absolutely have to.

Anyhow, what do you think the best trade resource wise is...

a) backstab + mana addict to clear Emperor
b) backstab + running Si7 into Emperor to clear him
c) backstab + 1 charge of a deadly poison blade to clear him

Not saying I'm a fan of mana addicts in oil decks, but I do see how they bring value.

I mean this with no snark - I was talking about oil because prip asked about mana addict in oil rogue. I offer no opinion about non oil builds, I don't really play Aggro variants.

As for your hypo, there are way too many omitted variables for me to answer.

No doubt there will be situations in which mana addict will work. I just think that on average other cards will be better suited in oil.

Well, if I ever crack one I'll let you guys know how it goes Not gonna bother crafting one. Have you guys seen this list?

http://www.hearthpwn.com%2Fdecks%2F3...lade-oil-rogue

I randomly have 2x Coldlight Oracle so might try a less Pirate-oriented build of it.

Yeah, I got what you were talking about. But I see many non-Oil rogues refusing to trade their minions when it is obvious to do so lol.

Link is broken.

Whoops, http://www.hearthpwn.com/decks/35163...ade-oil-rogue/

I looked at the list. Its not particularly good ot bad, its just slightly different. No thalnos drakes or 2nd sprint really damages the consistentcy. I understand the authors intention of going all in with a big blade. Could work. And the oracles are the supplement to the other cycle.

Greeny gives value but imo too slow for a combo deck. Fits a heavy weapons midrange and control deck, but only barely. And i do love me a Greeny.


Overall its just a bit different.

Only thing I really am skeptical of in that list is Loatheb. I just don't find a real great need for that card as a Rogue. It's pretty useless against some classes, and it only stalls fireballs one turn where you could be developing something else.

I'm testing a list w/ Oracles and Assassin's Blade. I think in theory I like the idea of Oracles, but we'll see how they play. Assassin's Blade I'm not sure I'm sold on. I guess it's huge in the Control Warrior matchup.

In my recent matches I've realized that I'm not sure how I feel about Dr. Boom in Oil Rogue. I just kinda added him to every deck after I crafted him but the 7 mana is really hindering. I find that when I have him in hand and 7+ mana I rarely want to play him because I need to be doing other things. I'd rather have a 4 or 5 drop so I can play something AND Flurry/Evis/SI:7/whatever.

P.S. I appreciate all the responses I get in this thread. The willingness to help a noob out is awesome

I am on 5 or 6 game winstreak on EU. The last two games were hilarious. I killed two druids on turn 5 and 6, and I don't even really think this deck is facehunter type play.

Really think Leeroy might find his way into the deck when I have dust. I want Captain Greenskin. However, I think Leeroy might be the finisher I need.

Loatheb is great to make sure you have an oil target its fine to dropped on curve and can buy you that one turn you need

I'm not saying it's a bad card or is really bad in oil rogue. However, I can't think of too many turns I'd rather have Loatheb over a second Deckhand or something that has immediate impact in a rogue deck.

For the same mana cost of Loatheb, you could Deckhand and Tinker's + prep and flurry if there's good enough reason to flurry.

I guess it's just my philosophy with Rogue that I want to push action more than stall it.

my rogue win rate has gone up significantly since I added Cutpurse, I now mulligan for it in every matchup, those extra coins really come in handy esp with Violet Teacher out

Or hell for pretty much any combo, activating a combo for free is nice

Cutpurse works well with gadgetzan. It doesnt have a role in oil rogue.

It would be a legit great card (and relative to ****ing paladin) "fair" if it was 2/3

Or hell just make it a battlecry give you a coin. Would be fair and better there.

I'm terrible at oil rogue, so I can't personally vouch for this article. But it's lengthy and detailed and gets good reviews:

http://theirronsmith.com/deck-master...-rogue-master/

Let's craft a summoning stone rogue. From testing I can confirm that its effect does not bring it out of stealth. So it is possible to turn 6 stone + conceal into turn 7 master of disguise for a permanently stealthed 0/6 summoning stone.

Clearly its the next top tier fun gimmick deck.

Fwiw mryagut hit rank #1 with rogue. Played by a super expert oil is still a real sick deck.

Yeah. Though I do think some matches you have to get more lucky with oil rogue than other classes. Like this oil rogue was beating the crap out of me a few matches ago on my druid. In the end I managed to plop down 2 Fel Reavers on two turns in a row and he blanked on saps. Which would've won him the game. Something I feel like when I play rogue too. That even under the best case scenarios, I hafta have the correct draws to win.

EDIT: The rogue did do one thing that I think also might've cost him the victory. He had a SI7 agent up and tinkered it and traded the 7/4 with my knife juggler instead of punching it with his dagger and hitting me for 7.

Sounds to me like you werent playing vs a super expert!!

Rogue is always my favorite deck to watch being played. It's the one deck where my line of thought tends to be a lot different in tricky situations when watching MrYagut and Dog. Usually end up feeling like I learned something.

Doesn't matter if he was expert or not. The situation of a rogue needing cards does come up often enough.