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From the stats, the only things that stop PW are the two big token decks--Aggro Druid/Token Shaman, and Control Pally.

PW is even with everything else basically which is nuts. What's the proper nerf for PW? Weapons can't go FACE seems like overkill.

I agree. I've thought about this a bit but haven't come up with anymore more creative than increasing the costs of a few key pirates.

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06-28-2017 , 03:48 PM

#40477

Namath12

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According to that PC Gamer article, Brode is doing a Q&A on Twitch this Friday. Maybe we should ask him!

Also lol this

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06-28-2017 , 04:06 PM

#40478

synth_floyd

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It's probably one of Blizzard's "feelsbadman" nerfs. If you just take a look at the statistical winrate, it's not OP, but it feels bad to lose to and creates a negative impression with players. It's one of the reasons why I quit the game, soon after Ungoro game out. After losing to pirate warrior for the last 4 months of Gadgetzan, I didn't feel like losing to quest rogue for the next 4 months of Ungoro. It's also the same reason they said they nerfed Mind Control to 10 back in the beta, not because of the stats, but because it felt bad to get your dude stolen.

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06-28-2017 , 05:22 PM

#40479

capone0

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If you couldn't get 5/5 chargers it wouldn't feel so bad. It's still a great deck when the right person used it and it's one of the few decks where if you're skilled you're win rate is going to be significantly better than the same deck piloted by a novice. Anyone can pilot pw and the win percentages differences between average and good are relatively small. Winning against pw, aggro Druid and a few other decks with quest rogue actually took skill and other matchups were almost unloseable in the right hands.

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06-28-2017 , 05:59 PM

#40480

g-bebe

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I think the nerf is fair. I don't think it will become unplayable.

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06-28-2017 , 07:46 PM

#40481

baudib1

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5 is a death knell for the deck, which is a shame because it was easily the most challenging and interesting archetype to come around in a while.

Yay more Cthun warrior I guess.

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06-28-2017 , 08:00 PM

#40482

TheStuntman

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Interesting that they nerfed Quest Rogue. I wouldn't mind it so much if they made all the monsters a 4/4 instead of a 5/5, or that all monsters have a random value between 1-6 for both health and attack, something like that, so that even if they do complete the quest, it isn't what is essentially an auto-win for them.

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06-28-2017 , 08:00 PM

#40483

Nonfiction

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Originally Posted by g-bebe

I think the nerf is fair. I don't think it will become unplayable.

Unplayable on ladder but could be a niche tourny deck?

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06-28-2017 , 08:59 PM

#40484

feedthabeast

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The fact that someone took exodia mage to #2 legend absolutely blows my mind. I suppose there's a lot of jade druids and quest rogues at high legend but holy **** you get so many bad draws with it. Every game feels like feast or famine where you draw your whole deck and can't even use tomes or you have no draw or you get 3 random pyros/flamestrike and can't complete the quest etc etc. It was ridiculous watching Rage pilot his version in top 100 which is a super weird version at first glance but he makes it work well.

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06-29-2017 , 02:53 AM

#40485

Wolfram

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They've mentioned this on the VS report, but high legend really isn't a true competitive meta because the incentives for people are more varied. Some want #1 at all costs, some want to reach high while meme-ing, and some just want to have fun after the boring 5-1 grind with the latest meta deck.

Looking at the 5-1 meta is much more representative of a decks average power.

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06-29-2017 , 10:00 AM

#40486

jmakin

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Yea 5-1 meta is way harder

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06-29-2017 , 01:11 PM

#40487

jmakin

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damnit dog took me off auto host

told you about streaming other games

last night hit 100 viewers from a sjow host but I stayed on my game. viewers kind of dropped off but I felt ok about it

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06-29-2017 , 08:48 PM

#40488

synth_floyd

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What's your stream url?

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06-29-2017 , 09:39 PM

#40489

jmakin

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www.twitch.tv/jmakin

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06-30-2017 , 01:10 AM

#40490

baudib1

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I have to say I'm pretty pissed off about the quest rogue nerf. The quests were a bad idea and poorly designed, so they go and need one of the few that actually worked.

I haven't played it much the past month but there was definitely a place for it in the meta, it want OP, and not having a hard counter to goddamn jade Druid is super tilting.

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06-30-2017 , 01:39 AM

#40491

buffyslayer1

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Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 5,553

For the good of the game I think it's a good thing. 2 of my friends on friends list who were pretty casual players have quit due to quest rogue.
It's the single most boring deck to play versus I have ever encountered even worse than pirate warrior pre nerfs.

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06-30-2017 , 02:41 AM

#40492

jmakin

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I last minute grinded from rank 10ish to rank 5 in 30 games lolol pirate warrior is so broken

quest rogue is a terrible deck for the game for one major reason, and that is its completely polarizing matchups. It's seriously gotta be 90% vs some control decks, and against aggro it's the other way around. So you're just playing this really ****ty queuing game of rock paper scissors that doesn't feel good for either player.

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06-30-2017 , 02:53 AM

#40493

Bloobird

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Playing against quest rogue just feels a bit like they're playing solitaire and nothing you do really has much of an impact. It's not that OP, and I'm sure there's skill to the deck, but it's just not fun to play against really.

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06-30-2017 , 02:59 AM

#40494

baudib1

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Is it really going to be worse than tons of Jade Druids for control?

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06-30-2017 , 06:34 AM

#40495

Kukraprout

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Good riddance. Jade druid will still be a problem for control but there's more room for slow midrange now. I'll play some dragon priest.

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06-30-2017 , 09:25 AM

#40496

Nonfiction

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Pally is like 65% against jade druids fwiw

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06-30-2017 , 09:34 AM

#40497

Kaze13

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Sounds like old miracle rogue

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06-30-2017 , 10:15 AM

#40498

bixby snyder

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Originally Posted by Kaze13

Sounds like old miracle rogue

My earliest frame of reference on this is oil so I could be off, but at least then you had to interact with the board and play differently against different decks. I haven't actually tried quest but it seems like a self contained experience where the main goal is just don't let your win condition be denied and then you win.