JMHO but I think Warlock is suffering from acutely ****ty cards right now. They've always had some of the ****tiest class cards in the game, which was somewhat offset by their hero power, but the power level of the other classes has significantly increased while Warlock has languished almost as an afterthought as of MSOG. Their quest is a joke. I don't think it's an issue that can be fixed by more card draw. Warlock needs more tools.

Discolock surely needs something like a 1 mana 1/3 'when required to discard, you can pick which card from your hand is discarded'.

dunno if that'd be op tho

Oh wow, I think you'd need to make it a little more expensive considering the number of cards that have discard synergy but that's be sick. Warlock clearly needs something.

Eh, is it that bad? The nastiest combos require you to have three cards in hand, and I can only think of three cards that benefit from being discarded (fist, golem, clutchmaster). A lot of the value would be in avoiding discarding the stuff you really need.

Like, a T2 'coin, this, succubus/librarian > silverware golem' probably wins most games, but requires you to have three specific cards in your mulligan plus first two draws which isn't going to happen very often (obv unless I'm playing against it).

They've been screwing over warlock for about 3 straight expansion/adventures now.

Most meta decks have early curves that win games if they hit it...i.e. Tidecaller/Rockpool/War leader/Megasaur wins most games.

Zoo needs its version of Bloodlust/Savage Roar... it doesn't have the board resiliency it used to without Imp Gang Boss and the T2/3 flexibility it had with Peddler. Half the decks now do zoo better than zoo does, and the ones that don't (mages and priest) still have reasonable early game and all the removal.

Control Warlock needs a serious class heal or maybe un-nerfed Molten Giants or to steal the Warrior Quest.

Warlock's cards need to be ****ty b/c of their OP hero power (it's also basically double the cost of every other one). The biggest issue is they don't have much neutral healing or even Warlock only healing which is killing them due to their hero power. Warlock have a ton of AOE but it's useless if you're dead with all the super aggro.

Cruel dinomancer seems like it could be good in a discard deck but if you discard too much the RNG is huge.

Feeding time--it's just too expensive. It's actually very similar to the RNG loving imp spell but it's slightly overcosted so it's never played. Doesn't have as much synergy with imps/demons/malganis

Tar Lurker--just too slow and a slightly stronger but ****tier version of tar creeper.

Lakkari--just not very good-discarding 2 random cards and no immediate effect for a creature is costed 6 seems bad.
Ravenous-I don't think it's that bad but Adapt isn't that great; if you high roll with it with an egg or something it can be huge.

Chittering--only seen it played in arena but seems like trash especially with no heal.
Bloodbloom--sounds good in theory but again no healing.
Corrupting mist-just too slow for most decks--when it's effective, odds are you could be dead
Clutchmother--discard effect and too random to be consistent.
Lakkari Sacrifice--utter trash--might be played if it was discard 4 cards but in it's current state; the worst quest

Mean Streets-

Krul/Abyssal are fine; Krul just doesn't work without Reno or a ton of heal
Felfire--good in arena; bad with no heal
Kaba Trafficker--Good card especially in arena; i think it's okay for a slower warlock deck but that doesn't exist right now
Blastcrystal-fine card
Kazakus-great card just not without reno/healing
Stinger-trash card since murlocs and warlock have no synergy
bloodfury-just a trash demon buff card
courier-good card
Unlicensed--bad arena card; really just a nerf for bane of doom

I personally think Warlock was helped a ton by the Mean Streets; problem is all their strong cards and what made them a midrange/control class was ruined with Reno gone and no healing added to the game.

One Night-

Kara Kazham--good in arena; just too low health to be played
Golem-A good card if discarded; overcosted if not
Imp-Great card and annoying as **** if he hits

I just think the expansion plus the standard rollback of Reno just killed warlock. Likewise zoo is just too slow, which is weird to say compared to aggro druid, PW or aggro shaman right now and can't control the board like it used to.

Reno + no other heal (healbot) + Void Caller/Malganis removal/Darkbomb/IGB + no combo (PO)/Emperor basically broke the class.

TGT was also really bad for warlock but it didn't really hurt the class b/c it was so strong--Fearsome Doomguard/Wilfred were trash; Dreadsteed is fun/god; Demonfuse/Tiny Knight of Evil/Wrath Guard were pretty much trash.

League of Explorers brought Reno which made control warlock a thing and a great thing. Peddler was also great (Curse of Rafaam trash) and Seeker was good for Zoo if you played a deck that filled the board.

It's inevitable that each class gets time in the dumpster at some point, this is warlock's time. Frankly with the rotation of reno I'm happy to not see as much warlock for a bit.

It's actually not inevitable, Blizzard could simply print good cards for warlock.

I'd say it's inevitable in the sense that Blizzard always does that crap, but I agree with baudib that it doesn't have to be. Just one or two cards are often the difference between dumpster-tier and viable.

Imagine how great Binding Heal or Greater Healing Potion would be for Warlock! Instead they're Priest cards played by no one outside of arena.

The issue is they test but it's clearly not enough testing. Then they don't like changing cards until the meta settles or even way after it settles. It's annoying that they choose not to nerf/buff cards very often when in card games especially with all the data they have they can and should.

Trying to think of other cards that are barely used in their actual class but would be crazy op in a different one.

Velen in Rogue?
Bloodbloom in Priest?
Mind Blast in Hunter?
Astral Communion in Warlock?

Binding Heal is actually a key card in the Jackie Chan OTK priest he used to reach legend this month.

I think Bliz has done a great job with this expansion overall; the new mechanics are cool for the most part, the overall balancing is remarkable as there are 8 playable classes.

The complaints I have are despite the diversity, parts of the ladder start to look like Magestone, as does arena; and Warlock, with two truly cornerstone archetypes, is now totally unplayable in standard and wild.

I kinda think it's deliberate? Ben Brode said the quests were designed so that, once you fulfilled it, you could end the game quickly. That's obviously true and evident with the mage, warrior and rogue quests. The druid/hunter/shaman quests suck, but you can see the value; the priest quest reward is pretty awesome.

The warlock quest is so bad it's laughable.

Primordial Drake is so good that it's displaced Ancient of War in Jade Druid. It would be a staple in the warrior quest

IDK what's going on, but the meta is awfully slow right now. I've seen a ton of Jade Druids, Taunt Warriors and Control Pallys the past two days.

Druid quest was a mistake to not have it make the minions in your hand 0 cost. I guess if that's the case it's OP but that's the case with any of the good quests. Seeing that the Druid quest is so slow in general I don't see any problem with changing the quest to make your minions in hand essentially free. Yes it gives way for combos but in order to pull off the quest you not only have if have a really slow deck which gets wrecked by a ton of decks, currently.

Warlock quest might be more viable if the requirements was 4 discards. Even then it's really not that strong.

To fix priest quest I think you just need a few more good deathrattle.

Shaman again the requirement is too much and the murloc synergies for shaman are for the most part on the slow side.

Not sure how you can fix the hunter quest.

I think re Druid quest they thought it would be easier to pull off than it is with all the ramp available

Also I've faced exactly one paladin quest since ungoro dropped, I've seen five or six warlock quests.

Ramp druid with 30 cards and just going super greedy/memey, but no Tortollans and Celestial Dreamers, is superior to the druid quest.

I've played the paladin quest recently, went 6-2 with it, and it's close to viable.

The Warlock quest reward should be something like: Summon Malgannis to the board instantly. That might work.

When will the next set release? August?

Ramp Druid is insanely slow in a meta with pirate warrior and Aggro/token shaman and aggro Druid are all insanely good. They don't have enough removal and aoe to be consistent.

It's a lot better than you think. It obliterates non-secret mages and is very good vs. jades, taunt warrior, dragon/control priests, and isn't totally oppressed by pirates.

typical mid month crawl. it picks up again in the last week.

this is the best time to play imo.

I just played a pirate warrior who used 2 charges of FWA on Patches and Swashburglar.

LUL

(he didn't win)

Closing in on 900 wins as rogue, I'm guessing ~300 of them are with Miracle and I think I'm finally getting decent at it -- I've won my last 9 mirror matches.

FWIW, I've cut the Lashers totally, and am going with a lot of 1x cards: Cold Blood, Sap (might cut totally), Mimic Pod, SI:7 and Questing. Running 2x Fan, 2x Hallucination

I played ~60 games today going from r9 to r4 and I encountered zero pirate warriors

I played 3 taunt warriors and one control warrior and I lost all four games. Most of the games were as aggro druid; 18 were token shaman after hitting r5 (went 9W-9L with shaman).

The meta seems pretty slow and and I saw cydonia do this on stream...cutting the stonehill defenders in token shaman for jade spirits. Anyone try this? Evolving a 4 drop+a jade seems like it can be really strong. The deck already runs 5 jade cards and I feel like the matches I lose vs control are due to not hitting dopple+evolve. Evolving 1 drops is kinda worthless too.

I really wish more of the quests were viable. Quest priest is pretty fun but then stuff happens like queing into baudib on aggro druid when you're trying to meme and he BMs you.

The priest class early deathrattles are way too weak and the win condition doesn't seem to be different than normal control priest. Having 40 health is cool though.

I've made a questlock deck for dailies that does OK but the value you get from completing it is so terrible compared warrior or rogue...6/4 of stats a turn vs at least one 5/5 for rogue and a 2 mana 8dmg spell for warrior.

I have the druid quest but I never made a deck with it...just seems dumb. I mean you're only drawing one minion a turn after completing it and you're a druid so you'd have the mana to play them even they weren't free.

Have no ideas how they could be fixed just ranting. I wouldn't want the next expansion to make the un'goro quests OP.