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My big problem with quest rogue is that it seems like blizzard hates combo decks and has repeatedly nerfed them, yet quest rogue is basically a much faster combo deck. It has slotted itself into the combo spot in the aggro > combo > control > aggro chain. However, previous combo decks usually needed to stall while assembling multiple combo pieces and use an emp tick, whereas quest rogue obv is significantly faster.

I think the easiest nerfs I've seen discussed are making quest unusable with prep or making it only effect future played minions and not minions already on the board.

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06-26-2017 , 04:30 PM

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BobboFitos

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Ive said this a million times, and eventually i'll just quit the game altogether, but lack of balance updates makes the game very stale and annoying

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06-26-2017 , 09:29 PM

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Namath12

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prep has always seemed broken to me

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06-28-2017 , 10:53 AM

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capone0

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Can someone explain the C'Thun counter?

In the World Games, Johnnystone is playing a Quest Warrior with a number of C'Thun cards but no C'Thun. So the counter counts, up to 10 from 6 even if there is no C'Thun in your deck? Seems weird to me, I guess the cards say "where ever" your C'Thun is, including your collection but that seems so weird to me that the counter works like that.

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06-28-2017 , 10:59 AM

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Bloobird

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If you didn't start the game with C'Thun in your deck, but had the buff cards, and then summoned it through Free From Amber (or some other method I guess), would it be summoned buffed?

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06-28-2017 , 11:07 AM

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capone0

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https://us.battle.net/forums/en/hear...ic/20754415525

I'm guessing it's yes. IDK, doesn't make that much sense to me. I would think the "buff" makes sense if it's in your deck or discard but not in the ether of possible cards.

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06-28-2017 , 11:14 AM

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bixby snyder

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Cthun is a little funky like that. I'm pretty sure if you thoughtsteal a Cthun it's a 6/6 rather than whatever it is for the other player, plus any other buffs you may have played/stolen, so it makes sense that each player would have a Cthun counter whether or not it was visible. I could be totally wrong though, been a while.

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06-28-2017 , 02:27 PM

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g-bebe

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Caverns Below getting nerfed. Have to summon 5 minions now, up from 4.

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06-28-2017 , 02:50 PM

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Caverns Below getting nerfed. Have to summon 5 minions now, up from 4.

Bout time. How much worse does it make the deck? Is it unplayable. It's funny they kill all the high skill decks. I guess they want more control which controls aggro but there are only a few real mid range decks to keep the control is check (Pally and maybe some of the combo priest decks). Maybe they'll be back.

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06-28-2017 , 02:53 PM

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and of course blizzard completely nerfs it into the ground

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Bout time. How much worse does it make the deck?

Completely dead imo, probably takes another 2+ turns to complete quest, which makes the very unfavored matchups vs aggro almost impossible, ~even matchups vs midrange unfavored, and control, the decks it feasts on, now get another 2+ turns to find answers or burn them down.

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06-28-2017 , 02:54 PM

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I think it kills the deck but I thought that 4 was too hard and the deck wouldn't work so idk

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06-28-2017 , 02:54 PM

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Heard at some point that the contents of a pack are created when you earn or buy it, not when you open it. Dunno if true, but I figured I'd open my brawl pack now. Sure enough, get the van cleef I just crafted about a week ago.

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06-28-2017 , 02:55 PM

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Basically we found out that quests like inspire are complete ****. Either too hard to too easy, they can't get it right.

Need to stick to discover, BLIZZ.

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06-28-2017 , 02:57 PM

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Going to be a lottttt of priests, slower paladins, and ****ing JADE DRUIDS everywhere now that a 25-30% winrate matchup is effectively gone.

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06-28-2017 , 03:01 PM

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lol they're killing the only viable quest, gjge as always

ETA though I guess quest priest becomes more viable maybe? It doesn't seem to do **** for the others though

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06-28-2017 , 03:04 PM

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Remember pre release when we all thought Hunter quest was going to break the game? Good times those

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06-28-2017 , 03:05 PM

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bixby snyder

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Originally Posted by DonkDonkDonkDonk

I think it kills the deck but I thought that 4 was too hard and the deck wouldn't work so idk

I think needing 3 bounce/copy effects instead of 2 puts the deck's consistency in the tubes, never mind the extra turn you might need.

That said, they could probably save the deck by printing more firefly / igneous elemental type generators.

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06-28-2017 , 03:07 PM

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PC Gamer write up

http://www.pcgamer.com/hearthstones-...etting-nerfed/

I found this noteworthy

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The strange thing about Quest Rogue is that pre-release almost nobody thought it was going to be good. And although it’s an undeniably powerful deck, particularly in the hands of a skilled pilot, it hasn’t been posting the kind of obnoxious win rate numbers seen from previous terrors like the Undertaker Hunter deck. The issue, as Blizzard’s statement acknowledges, is that Quest Rogue preys particularly ruthlessly on slow 'control' decks, effectively warping the meta to make that archetype all but unplayable.

Doesn't pirate warrior, which isn't being touched afaik, also do this?

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06-28-2017 , 03:09 PM

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DonkDonkDonkDonk

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I'd be excited about a slow meta if JADE wasn't a thing

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06-28-2017 , 03:11 PM

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Namath12

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Originally Posted by DonkDonkDonkDonk

I'd be excited about a slow meta if JADE wasn't a thing

blech same here

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06-28-2017 , 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Namath12

PC Gamer write up

http://www.pcgamer.com/hearthstones-...etting-nerfed/

I found this noteworthy

Doesn't pirate warrior, which isn't being touched afaik, also do this?

No control can stop pirate warriors. The issue is all control gets wrecked by quest rogue. They've nerfed a few decks that did this--namely the savage roar FON combo for Druid.

PW is still annoying and still strong but it keeps a number of decks in check.

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06-28-2017 , 03:25 PM

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Pirate war is 52% against jade druid, 56% against taunt war, 46% against control pally
Quest rogue is 74% against jade druid, 70% against taunt war, 67% against control pally

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06-28-2017 , 03:25 PM

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Well I mean I know PW keeps quest rogue in check, but with that now out of the way what stops PW?

Mickey: "All right! Rock beats paper!"

Kramer: "I thought paper covered rock?"

Mickey: "Nah, rock flies right through paper."

Kramer: "Well what beats rock?"

Mickey: "Nothing beats rock."

<a series of ties ensues>

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06-28-2017 , 03:31 PM

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Are you saying that control can stop PW? Or that no control can stop PW?

Anyway it just seems weird that quest rogue is keeping control out of the meta, while at the same time the deck that beats quest rogue does not. (I don't doubt that this is possible, it just seems like it shouldn't be that way)

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Pirate war is 52% against jade druid, 56% against taunt war, 46% against control pally
Quest rogue is 74% against jade druid, 70% against taunt war, 67% against control pally

This is what I mean, it's so strange to me how those percentages play out

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06-28-2017 , 03:40 PM

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From the stats, the only things that stop PW are the two big token decks--Aggro Druid/Token Shaman, and Control Pally.

PW is even with everything else basically which is nuts. What's the proper nerf for PW? Weapons can't go FACE seems like overkill.

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