Mysterious challenger should be more in line with its true mana value. Somewhere around 15 or 16 mana I think is right.

6/6 is ridiculous for MC considering how strong its effect is. It's effect is better than most legendary cards and you get to run two of them.

Really, with the stats and effect, it should have been a legendary card.

If you leave it at 6/6, yes capping it at 3 secrets is a good idea.

If you wanna keep it's effect the same, make it a 5/5.

They should make an anti-secret card that scales of the number of secrets (similar to Harrison Jones).

Or just make kezan steal all secrets

A Harrison for secrets is a great idea.

This is a really good post. Happy to plusjuan it.

I've had several people ask me when I've told them I'm playing HS: "Is it yet another one of those pay2win online games?" And I respond: "Well, it's not exactly pay2win, but it's not exactly not pay2win, if that makes sense."

But in a very real sense, that's misleading. Even if you have access to all the cards or, to make the example more realistic, all the cards you want for a particular deck you're constructing, you still have to be able to play them. You have to know how the cards synergize (god what a ****ty word) with each other, when to play them, how to map out future turns, etc etc. And let's face it, you also have to get a bit lucky from time to time. But for the most part, the short answer is that you still have to not be bad.

I take myself for example. When I started I was determined not to spend any money on the game so I just played what was available after the tutorials. It was a very frustrating experience. I contemplated quitting more than once. It got to the point where whenever someone threw down Dr. Boom I'd insta concede. It seemed pointless. I finally broke down and paid for Naxx and BRD and started buying GvG decks here and there because I wanted to try certain builds like patron warrior and that was the only way to do it. Maybe I'm a HS fish idk, I just felt like it was either that or stop playing.

But even once I had the cards to play patron warrior, I still wasn't winning much. Hell, I downloaded that UI that tracks your stats just last week and my winrate with patron warrior is STILL absurdly low, I'm something like 11-29 with it since I started keeping track and have yet to get above 14 with it (which is why I e-chuckle when I see people itt complaining about it so much, but that's for another discussion). The fact of the matter is that, even though I have all the cards I need, I still have to play them well (and get good early draws, same as literally any other deck) or I'm gonna have a bad time. I did pay for them, true, but even if Hearthstone Jesus had miracled all the the cards into my collection, I'd still be right where I am right now.

In any event, yeah I get why people complain about various aspects of the game (Bobbo just listed some legit actual irl complaints that I share for the most part) but complaining about not getting enough free **** isn't a valid complaint. It has never been a valid complaint. It will never be a valid complaint. /rantoff

I'd settle for simply making hunter's Flare neutral

Good post namatht.

I tried to be free to play my first few months. I was loving the game but wanted to play other decks like control warrior. V glad with my decision then (but also dont blame anyone dor staying f2p)

And on that note outside of adventures theres no eay im buying more packs, dont need an all gold deck to be happy!

I have to repeat that to myself every so often....

hearthstone has to be one of my top five things ever in terms of entertainment per dollar spent

i spent $150 to go to the panthers/cardinals playoff game where delhomme threw five picks that was one of the most miserable three hours of my life. ive spent $150 on hearthstone for over TWO YEARS of fun with more to come

Oh yeah for sure. Between this and league I've spent probably $700 over 3 years but have gotten so much more value out of that money than I would have out of any other form of entertainment.

These whiny F2P players are so tilting. Most of them are too young to realize how it was back in the N64 days. Every game was $60 and you got a fraction of the content in modern PC games. If you bought one you didn't like, too damn bad, you played it anyway.

Exactly, unless you are a card genius, you still aren't going to know how to play the decks when you begin playing the game. I've kind of gotten the grasp of Patron but it's still really a tough deck to become an expert on and tough to beat a number of decks. The meta has shifted to beat it so while it's a great deck and if you are good you should have a 50%+ chance of beating most decks, it's very tough to learn. I've seen a ton of bad Patron players, it's hilarious but at the same time I've done the stupid things they've done at times and still make their mistakes.

I believe Blizzard has done a great job at building the game and the economy. I want them to keep collecting money so they keep investing in the game and keep coming up with new cards/adventures.

$$$/Time spent for most players is insanely low. With that being said, a lot of games might be lower but I'm not sure that really matters. For instance I used to play a ton of CS and a ton of SC and my $$/hr might be lower but the difference is small in the long run. With that being said there are other games I've barely played and bought so I'm glad HS isn't in the same boat. HS gives you the opportunity to play it for free and if you want buy packs/arena/gold, etc. if you like/love it.

As many of you know, I have 2 accounts--one that I share with a friend with most of the cards and is not F2P and another account that is pure F2P which I've grinded to get both adventures and have a decent collection now (most rares, few epics and a few legendaries). But it was fun to grind and it sucks to play against decks that have better cards--it's just part of the territory and it's always going to be like that in any game I play. There are always going to be better players, always going to be people with better collections. But you can still beat them on occasion and that's fun. Beating a CW with a very ghetto F2P flood pally deck is pretty fun.

Pretty much every time I lose with patron nowadays it's for one of three reasons:

1. I'm facing a deck which is built to counter it

2. I run bad on early draws (which again can happen with any deck)

3. I get roped, sometimes usually while half drunk trying to do math and don't get everything off and either miss lethal, leave enemy minions alive that should have been killed, or don't hit face when I could have.

3 happens >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 and 2

I'm still F2P, but if I were starting out now instead of a year ago there's no way I'd be F2P. I don't think it's possible to be F2P starting out now unless you really really like arena, can quickly get infinite (with quests), and don't mind grinding it for 6 months.

Ya I'm coming up on a year of playing almost every day, spent $15 to buy out 3 wings of Naxx, and I'm still not even close to being able to play most of the competitive decks out there. Handlock / Demon anything, Druid, non-aids Paladin, Control Priest, Control Warrior, any Dragon flavor... Obviously could have spent resources a little differently along the way but it's definitely not forgiving unless you focus on specific decks.

I don't get why everyone chants "F2P is so difficult to catch up"

I've been F2P since BRM just finished (6 months) have grinded legs 1-4 of Naxx and 1 of BRM. Just now started the rest of BRM which I expect to finish well before Christmas. Have probably opened 30 packs of each expansion. Have Boom, Sylvanas, and a handful of other craftable legendaries. Can make basically all competitive decks except for secret pally and dragonpriest or anything else requiring legs 2-5 of BRM.

I have never played more than 2 hours/day except on road trips etc.

Blizzard has made it easier than every with reward packs from TB, rank rewards and all the bonus gold you get as a new player.

I've said it before, Blizzard owes us nothing and we get to play because of the players who sink money into the game. So stop complaining

Sounds like I've played way more than you, and I've spent about $70, and I can't build most of the competitive decks.

Top decks I can build:
Patron (w/out Hellscream but no one uses him anymore)
Pally decks that don't use Sylvanas

Top decks I can't build:
Anything druid
Demon Handlock, can build Handlock without legends
Mech mage, no Fel Reavers
Dragon Priest

Now, I did stop dusting my crappy legends a while ago, so I could probably get a few things by dusting my Troggzor, Rend and stuff, but that's a gamble, even if it's a relatively safe one.

That said, I agree that F2Pers shouldn't really complain. Just play arena or don't play.

I mean I guess I should clarify 'competitive decks' as decks that have >50% win rate on casual or rank 10+

I'm not a legend hunter, and ldo I can't make the pro-legend meta decks. but at that level yes you have to sink hundreds of dollars or thousands of hours into the game

Stuck, I'm not complaining, but you're running insanely well with packs if you can make most of the decks I mentioned on that little income.

I can make Oil Rogue, Freeze Mage, Patron Warrior, most Hunter variants, and I have enough dust to cash in for Secret Pally if I wanted to. It's plenty to enjoy the game (and at the highest level if I were a better player), but a huge chunk of the game is still out of reach @ consistent ftp for a year. That's all I'm trying to say.

I've thrown money into the game when it came out, I had all the cards to make most if not all of the competitive decks, but I've realised that even if I have all the cards I just don't have the time to play them all/make a deck around a lot of them, so I've been f2ping since.

I don't regret paying money cos I had fun, but now that I'm no longer super serious about the game, I think f2p is the way to go, since I don't really have the time to play every competitive decks out there anyway

Alrighty, rank 5 earliest in season ever. I will cry if I don't make legend this time. :P

Good luck! After getting to 5 my earliest ever as well I dropped back to 9 now back up to 5, ready to make another push!

I love how Flare got nerfed into 'unplayable' state and here I'm reading people wish it was a neutral. lol

I quite enjoyed that game.