The home games I play in (I've been to LL's many times but not in the past year or two) are always MUCH more fun than the casino. I LOVE going to PARX/Borgata and like going to Harrah's-Chester but that always seems more like a business trip. Srs bzns! Home games are more casual/fun with the hopes of making $100 or so.

I barely scanned the replies but they are plentiful so I'm sure a consensus was reached.

In my game (.50-$1 NL/PLO/PLO8 mix with $2-$4 limit games...dealers calls) when someone deals like that I always ask them to (next time) burn one then put three face down then flop em. Standard casino procedure. I just like things to be uniform which helps avoid problems. The atmosphere still stays very casual.

I can see handling this two ways - I would do #1

1. Let the BB make his raise. Then show the card to everyone leaving it on top of the deck. Explain that once action is completed on the flop that card will be set aside and the next two dealt. It will then be put back in the stub which will be reshuffled and the final flop card will be dealt. You don't put out cards or reshuffle right away since you don't want cards sitting there exposed (should the backs be marked).

2. Let the bb act. Show the card everyone. Replace on top of deck. Everyone now acts in turn to the bb's raise. Deal flop which will include this card. Don't show card to BB prior to him acting as all other players acted prior to knowing this card. BB knowing it prior to acting would give him knowledge other players didn't have.

The problem with both your solutions is the BB makes a bet and the rest of the table gets to see the exposed card before they decide whether to call. This gives an advantage to the rest of the table.

If its really low limit, let the dealer cover the exposed card. Allow the BB to complete his action, and Dealer can either fold or call (no raise allowed). Then the rest of the table can make their own decision. Dealer gets a KITN.

Yep. All the home games in which I play/played are low stakes cash & tourneys, and they've all been rotating deal except for one. Even that one used two player-dealers who alternated every other hand (rather than a dedicated non-playing dealer).

IME rotating deal is the norm for home games.

Wow...I'm truly shocked about this rotating deal thing....and who said anything about hiring a dedicated dealer? That's one way to go, but definitely not the only way to avoid a rotating deal. Heck, I don't know anybody who prefers a rotating deal after they've played without it.

Anyway, the rules of how to handle an exposed card are pretty simple and easy. If the card was exposed, expose it to the table so everybody see it and reshuffle so that all cards have an equal chance of being selected next - that way, no disadvantage to the BB.

KC

Well, that aught prevent anything from going wrong.

Did 'ya hear that boys? We're going to follow procedure tonight!

It's not pointless. It's where we get the baseline...

It's an exposed card. Announce and expose the card to everyone, shuffle up, and get the action back on whomever the action was on when the dealer jumped the gun and continue.

I, personally, don't care about the mystical true order of the cards, so I don't preserve or set aide cards 2 and 3 of the flop. As far as I'm concerned the deck is magically being constantly shuffled while it's in the dealer's hand...

Nobody's happy when you expose a card, especially when you add a twist ahead of time like, "This helps someone, so choose wisely."

Stop.
Expose.
Shuffle.
Resume.

Yes, most people would prefer that other people deal for them.

Could you tell us what you're talking about, then?

It helps a great deal, as a matter of fact. I don't understand why a dismissive sarcastic attitude is even remotely appropriate here.

I'd suggest that you use the report button on my posts if you find them inappropriate, but I know that doesn't give you as much attention as you'd like.

I apologize to everyone else for not mentally ignoring pfapfap to the level that I normally do. My bad, as usual.

Interesting environment. Can I assume that all of the dedicated dealer games are also raked?
edit- I see. Evidently the home games in your area, the host is always the dedicated dealer? Or someone volunteers... for free?

Or, maybe I'm not understanding your use of "rotating deal"... since it seems strange to me that the only games in your area have dedicated dealers.

I can't think of a regular home game that I've EVER played in, where there was a dedicated dealer. I've done it once or twice, at one home game when I busted out, but it wasn't a raked game and it was an unusual occurance that I volunteered for.

This.... and the dealer, who hasn't acted yet to the presumed BB raise, HAS seen the card.

I like the thought process, SF, but I don't think it works here.

What the hell are you, a 2+2 rookie?


and that would be true, even IF you weren't responding to your special friend...

RRoP is not the baseline of home poker game procedures. Those rules, and other rulebooks like it, may be the way that we here would prefer things, but (until recently) you can't tell me that you grew up in home games that handed out casino-standard rulebooks....


... can you?

Most of the poker we played early had a copy of Hoyle near us, complete with matching red/blue/white chips for three bet sizes.

I can't honestly remember how we were solving rules issues when I was in college. I'm sure we had plenty of exposed cards and arguments about wildcards, but they all escape me.

Several ways to go about it:

- Host deals and plays.
- Host deals and doesn't play.
- Paid dealer (no rake or dealer cut, just a dealer toke for extra chips that goes to the dealer)
- Paid dealer with a small rake or a portion of the entry fee withheld for the dealer (and possibly a dealer toke for extra chips).
- Regular game in which players take turns being the dedicated dealer for an entire tournament and, if lucky, somebody who gets knocked out will take over. This is the most common scenario. Think about it. Would you rather there be a rotating deal in which you have to deal every tournament and consistently have problems, or deal every once in a while and not have to worry about dealing at all the rest of the time. This is far superior. Plus, the dealer is always sitting in the middle - no problems with dealers sitting on the end of the oval table.

These scenarios, in my experience, are all far more common than a rotating deal. Of course, that's just my experience, but I do play in some pretty good home games, I guess.

KC