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What are common "House Rules" directed at Hit n Runs What are common "House Rules" directed at Hit n Runs

09-12-2014 , 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Grima21
If the player is good and leaves the game, then that's good for the game by helping other players win.

If the player is bad and leaves the game, that will encourage him to return and actually lose more next time because its "house money".

This "H&R" is really good for the game. I just don't see why a host would restrict someone from a game (which is not an easy thing to do in a home game) just because they left a cash game "early" (which is actually impossible in theory). I do understand if you have players that are uncomfortable with playing with 6 or less players, but I've never found that to be an issue personally. People get used to playing short and it actually improves there game.
It's not good for the game for a player good or bad to leave the game early when they are taking money off the table. You want players to stay in the game and give others the chance to win their money back
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09-12-2014 , 04:17 PM
Not really true. The other players still have money for you to win, it doesn't have to be won back from the same guy.

If Phil Ivey did a hit and run from my home game after I lost a buy in to him, it's likely my chances of winning it back just went up quite a bit.

Hit and runs are bad for home poker games, but not for this reason.
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09-12-2014 , 04:35 PM
In a casino, I've seen enough guys win big pots and walk. Leave their chips, walk for a while, come back to play a few hands, walk again, etc. Better for that kind of player to just rack up and let the open seat get filled.


In a home game, I've never seen a H&R. Some players have announced an end time prior to starting and left ahead. Others will become super rocks for the rest of the night. There are a few 'good guys' that loosen way up and donate some back (or catch a heater and crush).


There are no good H&R rules to put into play. Guys are gonna go for a smoke, take a long dump, fold around until time is up. Seat might as well be empty. A lesson in etiquette, and removal from the invite list should be sufficient.
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09-12-2014 , 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
Not really true. The other players still have money for you to win, it doesn't have to be won back from the same guy.

If Phil Ivey did a hit and run from my home game after I lost a buy in to him, it's likely my chances of winning it back just went up quite a bit.

Hit and runs are bad for home poker games, but not for this reason.
Because home games typically don't have many more players to take the seat and buyin. A large sum leaving the game could kill the game off because there isn't enough left on the table. Then you can't win it back
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09-12-2014 , 06:24 PM
Not sure you are really making a different point than me...I have said it is bad for home games because it leaves the game short of players and it may break. The money issue is unlikely though. How often would you lose a certain amout to a runner, and all the rest of the people in the game don't have that much between them? It's extremely unlikely to be impossible to get that money back. Even if somehow it is, poker is one long game, and the beginning and ending levels of each session don't matter; the desire to get even that night is really based on a fallacy.
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09-13-2014 , 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
Not really true. The other players still have money for you to win, it doesn't have to be won back from the same guy.

If Phil Ivey did a hit and run from my home game after I lost a buy in to him, it's likely my chances of winning it back just went up quite a bit.

Hit and runs are bad for home poker games, but not for this reason.
There is a great deal less of money left on the table. Combine this with home games don't usually have a flow of new players, it can kill a game if the top winners leave early.

I look at it as a group of friends getting together for a night of cards. If guys start cutting out half way thru the night, it can kill it.
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09-13-2014 , 07:06 PM
As long as it is not a regular occurence(the hit & running), I don't see a major problem.
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09-16-2014 , 02:44 PM
I stay for at least one orbit after winning a big pot, even if I was ready to go. I also let the other players know when I'm leaving before I sit down, if I'm planning to leave earlier than usual.

Every step a host takes to cut down on hit and runs decreases the quality of the game, in my opinion. In your example, I don't think there's anything wrong with only playing for two hours - it was only a hit and run because he stayed afterward. If his action was profitable for you, invite him back, but if he does it again, have a word with him before he plays a third time.
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09-23-2014 , 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Dre907
I've renovated a poker room and am almost ready for the grand opening.
Looks gorgeous, when are we invited?
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09-24-2014 , 05:18 PM
We had a guy who pulled something similar in our 2/5 home game. He wouldn't exactly hit-and-run, but he would NEVER leave if he was down. Ever. He was a pretty good player, no one could fault his play. But we noticed a pattern: After he'd been in the game a short while--1 to 3 hours--his wife would call. The times he was ahead, he'd pretty lamely say that the wife wanted him home ASAP. The times he was behind, nothing like that was ever mentioned. Then, on a few occasions when he'd win a huge pot to triple up (and the wife hadn't called yet), he'd announce he had some function or another to go to and would be leaving within minutes.

The talk amongst the players was that it was just plain rude. He didn't give much action, and we could never expect him to stay if he won big...his money wouldn't stay in play. So, the host stopped inviting him. He did ask why. The host pretty much told him the truth: "Buddy, you come in, eat our food, win big, then leave. If that's what you're about, you can go play at the casino. The home game is meant to be FUN. For everybody. I'd rather keep 9 people happy than one."
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09-25-2014 , 11:39 AM
Any opinions on how you host a game where you expect the players to stay atleast untill a certain time if they were up. How would you word it without getting into using words like hitandrun. Say a Saturday night game and you want the players to stay atleast until midnight. The theory is inviting 8 players to a cash game, if the two big winners decide to leave early to lock in their wins, it kills the game. Your down to 6 players and most of the money has left the table.
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09-25-2014 , 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by DavidNB
Any opinions on how you host a game where you expect the players to stay atleast untill a certain time if they were up. How would you word it without getting into using words like hitandrun. Say a Saturday night game and you want the players to stay atleast until midnight. The theory is inviting 8 players to a cash game, if the two big winners decide to leave early to lock in their wins, it kills the game. Your down to 6 players and most of the money has left the table.
I think the way to do this is not to have a rule about it, as much as to find players who are like minded with you about wanting spend an evening playing poker.
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09-25-2014 , 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by psandman
I think the way to do this is not to have a rule about it, as much as to find players who are like minded with you about wanting spend an evening playing poker.
Yes , that's a good idea but some how I have to suggest it in the email invite. Otherwise I run the chance of players leaving early. Some of them might not understand, not experienced. I sort of have to drop the hint that I don't have a deep player pool, need 7-8 guys interested to play caah for the night
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09-25-2014 , 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Bumbaclat
Hit N Runs are rude but a rule against them is far worse. Just let the occasional ******* smash a big pot and walk out. If you try to have some "must play 3 more orbits rule" you're going to have a rock with a big stack at your table for 3 orbits. You're also going to inconvenience the majority of players who may forget to announce their departure time and take down a big pot on their 3rd last hand of the night. Now they're locked into the table for an hour while their girlfriend is sitting at a bar waiting for them.

Also note that there is no standard/casino rule against it. Just let common sense guide your players as 95% of them will be good people.
Dead on good advice.
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09-25-2014 , 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by DavidNB
Yes , that's a good idea but some how I have to suggest it in the email invite. Otherwise I run the chance of players leaving early. Some of them might not understand, not experienced. I sort of have to drop the hint that I don't have a deep player pool, need 7-8 guys interested to play caah for the night

What about "all players are expected to stay until the end. If they can't, they should let everyone know at the beginning of the night. "
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09-25-2014 , 04:18 PM
He didn't do anything wrong

but at my game , we have to call out 30mins before we leave
always seems fine with everyone
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09-25-2014 , 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by eneely
What about "all players are expected to stay until the end. If they can't, they should let everyone know at the beginning of the night. "
Yea, that would work I guess. I guess it's a nice middle ground between having the rule gotta stay vs no mention of anything
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09-25-2014 , 07:21 PM
When I used to play in a regular one table home game with an evite list, people who wanted to play but wouldn't be able to stay all night put themselves in the "maybe" category with explanation. If the game filled with all night people they stayed home, otherwise they came anyway as they weren't taking a seat that would otherwise be filled. Someone would could only arrive late did the same thing; occasionally things would work out perfectly so one guy left and someone else was there to take his place.
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09-25-2014 , 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by eneely
Our policy is that the game will run from 7 to 11 or 7 to 12 or whatever, and everyone is expected to play the entire game, unless they either (1) announce an earlier departure time when they arrive, for whatever reason, (2) they hit their stop-loss threshold, (3) they are contacted about an emergency they need to attend to.
I like this a lot.

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Originally Posted by DavidNB
a local game in my area 100NL has a rule you must lose 2 BI or stay until midnight. I like the idea since home games have limited players, it can end the game if a few players cash out early. Your not being invited to come over and play 2 hours, your being invited over to play the night.

I like the idea and would tone it down abit, if your down money , you can go early otherwise your expected to stay until a set time, say midnight
I also like this.

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Originally Posted by Schmendr1ck
No specific policy here. I let my players know that if they plan to leave early (which usually means before midnight) to please let me know. The main purpose for that is to keep the game from breaking.

I've never had a hit and run problem, and if it ever occurs I'll just deal with it one-on-one.
Also good.

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Originally Posted by The Big K
Anyone in any situation can get upset. Go over to the B&M forum and you'll find threads on hit-n-run there too. Personally, hit-n-run in a casino is nothing and should be tolerated without question. But then a casino environment is more business-like than a "normal" home game.

In a "normal" home game, there is more of a social obligation. It is this social obligation that frowns on hit-n-run. It is seen as "a friend" wanting to make money off everyone more than enjoying a game and shooting the breeze "with the boys." Of course the goal of poker is to make money and I would take every single penny I could get off my friends. But the friendships, the conversations, the joking/put-downs, sport watching/gambling, side bets, etc., these are usually the main goals of those who attend a normal home game.

But let's clear up what happened in he OP. It was not a hit-n-run. He played 2+ hours and it sounds like he was in many hands during that time and decided to cash out early. A true hit-n-run would have been if he double or tripled up in the first few hands the game and then cashed and left. What left a sour taste in everyone mouth of the OP was the fact he claimed he was getting out early due to work in the morning and then stay another hour to socialize. When he could have continued to play that hour. Very poor etiquette but not a hit-n-run. They had chances to get "their" money back during the two hours he played. They didn't and then had to endurance his presence as he stayed after taking "their" money off the table.
Great post. I don't think it's coincidence that you had a great home game group when I played in it years ago.

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Originally Posted by de4df1sh
To be honest this all sounds like sour grapes.

Its his money he is risking so it should be his choice to leave when he wants. I make a point of never giving notice because then the game plays differently. There were plenty of tomes where I knee a player was up big and gave notice and I just bullied him out of pots knowing he was going to protect his win.

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That's very casino-ish and not very home poker-y.

In my groups, the closest thing I've seen to a hit and run is someone playing rock-ish once they're up a bunch. No big deal. The rest of the players jokingly call him out for it and know not to give him action when he bets/raises unless they have very strong hands.

There was something a couple people mentioned that I think is absolutely essential to home poker versus being in a casino/cardroom: as the host (and sometimes as the group), you get to choose who you play with. In almost eight years of playing home poker across countless games and groups of players, I've encountered maybe five or six people I'd never want to play with again. So you know what? I don't invite them to my games and I openly express concerns about them when they're mentioned. The other 99% of people I've played with have passable etiquette, are long-term losers, and/or are very nice people, so I'd be happy to play with them again.

Finally, OP, what a badass setup you made for your poker room! Congratulations on that.
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10-11-2014 , 03:54 PM
We have always used the call an hour system where you can announce whenever you want, that you will be done in 1 hour.
After the hour you can stay and keep playing but are free to cash out whenever.
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10-11-2014 , 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by DavidNB
a local game in my area 100NL has a rule you must lose 2 BI or stay until midnight.
Lol so you force the poor guy to buy in again if he busts his first bullet and wants to leave?
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10-12-2014 , 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by powrhau5
Lol so you force the poor guy to buy in again if he busts his first bullet and wants to leave?
It wasn't my game but yes, if you busted, you had to buy in a second time. You had to stay until atleast midnight or lose two BI's before you can leave. They had a full game, lots of action and wanted to keep it that way. No hit and run, or players only playing with 1 BI. They wanted players who were interested in playing poker for the night.

I like the idea because home games have a limited number of players unlike a raked unground game that has a constant flow of players. It's a good way to keep the hit and runners out of the game.

Myself, I would lean more towards, a min buyin and gotta stay until midnight unless your down. If you have to work early the next day and can't stay the whole night, then your better off not going and letting the host find someone who can stay the whole night

Last edited by DavidNB; 10-12-2014 at 10:05 AM.
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10-12-2014 , 10:21 AM
Home games with limited numbers likely need some of the above mentioned methods to keep their games regular and as full as possible. Can't blame them. When you are lucky to have as big and regular a crew as we have for our Friday cash games I guess you don't need to be quite as demanding. I like to give players as much leeway as possible on attendance, arrival times ,cashing out and other stuff. I am glad we can afford to do it with our crew. I realize that a lot of poker clubs can't be so lax.
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10-13-2014 , 06:30 PM
If I were playing in a house game I'd hate a specific rule against hit n runs, but certainly would understand the commitment to stay until the game ends.

I play in a raked home game that is more casino like. I had a big score a few days ago (up 4 buy-ins) and played for another 1.5hrs (and even won another buy-in). They had 3-4 players waiting and I told the host I was going to be leaving soon and asked him if he would be upset that I was hitting and running. He said it was fine.

A few of the players complained I was leaving (they incorrectly thought I was a fish they were going to easily win my money). I told them I'd be back next weekend and give them plenty of opportunities to win it back.

This game goes from 7pm to 3am and when my family is in town I've never stayed past midnight.
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10-13-2014 , 07:17 PM
A racked game is different, those games have a flow of players like in your case. You leave and a new player sits in, the game goes on. This thread was dealing more with standard home games where a bunch of players get together for a night of poker
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