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Old 06-13-2012, 11:07 PM   #31
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Re: using wild cards.. 5 of a kind vs Royal flush

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So you're pointing out something everybody already knows.
But... but... if it's in RRoP, it must be true!
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Old 06-14-2012, 04:18 AM   #32
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Re: using wild cards.. 5 of a kind vs Royal flush

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But... but... if it's in RRoP, it must be true!
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Old 06-14-2012, 04:44 AM   #33
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Re: using wild cards.. 5 of a kind vs Royal flush

Based on lottery larry's math i think:

Natural Royal Flush > 5 of a kind > royal (with wilds)/straight flush > 4 of a kind > etc

Whee just got my first ever stud hi Royal Flush last night on (obvs no wildcards, playing on stars)
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Old 06-14-2012, 06:09 AM   #34
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Re: using wild cards.. 5 of a kind vs Royal flush

But that's only if you want to consider a "natural" Royal Flush a different hand than a "non-natural" one and if you want to consider a royal flush a different hand than a straight flush, neither of which I can see a compelling reason to do.

Did you know there are only 8 possible straight flushes that contain a deuce while there are 20 straight flushes that contain a 7? Getting a straight flush that contains a 7 is therefore much more likely than getting one that contains a deuce. So should we then consider straight flushes with a deuce to rank higher than those containing a 7? We can go on all day making arbitrary distinctions to change the value of hands based on probability.
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Re: using wild cards.. 5 of a kind vs Royal flush

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But that's only if you want to consider a "natural" Royal Flush a different hand than a "non-natural" one and if you want to consider a royal flush a different hand than a straight flush, neither of which I can see a compelling reason to do.

Did you know there are only 8 possible straight flushes that contain a deuce while there are 20 straight flushes that contain a 7? Getting a straight flush that contains a 7 is therefore much more likely than getting one that contains a deuce. So should we then consider straight flushes with a deuce to rank higher than those containing a 7? We can go on all day making arbitrary distinctions to change the value of hands based on probability.
My favorite is an Ace high flush is the most common flush - 7 high the least common.
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Re: using wild cards.. 5 of a kind vs Royal flush

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Wild cards are permitted to be any card not already in the players hand.
So how is any 5 of a kind possible then?
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So how is any 5 of a kind possible then?
thats meant for flushes
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Old 06-14-2012, 08:18 AM   #38
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Re: using wild cards.. 5 of a kind vs Royal flush

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But that's only if you want to consider a "natural" Royal Flush a different hand than a "non-natural" one and if you want to consider a royal flush a different hand than a straight flush, neither of which I can see a compelling reason to do.

Did you know there are only 8 possible straight flushes that contain a deuce while there are 20 straight flushes that contain a 7? Getting a straight flush that contains a 7 is therefore much more likely than getting one that contains a deuce. So should we then consider straight flushes with a deuce to rank higher than those containing a 7? We can go on all day making arbitrary distinctions to change the value of hands based on probability.
and for the reasons you mentioned above, it is simply easier to treat all hands equally whether they have wild cards or not
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Old 06-14-2012, 07:45 PM   #39
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Re: using wild cards.. 5 of a kind vs Royal flush

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Wild cards are permitted to be any card not already in the players hand.

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So how is any 5 of a kind possible then?
** Sorry, when considering using them for flushes.

The AKQ72 flush beats AWJ72 flush.

Without the note/understanding, the 2nd hand could be considered AAJ72(winner), instead of AKJ72 (loser).
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Old 06-15-2012, 06:32 PM   #40
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Re: using wild cards.. 5 of a kind vs Royal flush

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So how is any 5 of a kind possible then?
Special exemption- it's a rank card of a special suit.

AcAdAhAsAw (Ace of Wilds, if you were curious)
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Old 06-18-2012, 06:47 PM   #41
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Re: using wild cards.. 5 of a kind vs Royal flush

My objection is that if we're going to start calling 5oaC a hand, we might as well start quantifying other things that might happen. A short-straight beats one-pair and a wrap-straight (QKA23) beats three of a kind...

There's a hand ranking, and it generally doesn't include 5oaC.


Better answer: Quantify what your wildcards can and can't do and the order of hands before starting a game -- and your arbitrary solution is just as good as any other, since all of your players will be operating on equal footing (at least as far as the rules go).
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Old 06-18-2012, 08:38 PM   #42
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Special exemption- it's a rank card of a special suit.

AcAdAhAsAw (Ace of Wilds, if you were curious)
actually, I have a 6 suited deck of cards home.
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