hey guys. this isn't a home game where this happened but i trust yalls opinions here. i'll try to make this easy to read.

Tunica MS daily $55 tourney. 300-600-75 ante
Hero: ~8.5k

I have a "somewhat" tight image until the last 5 hands. Open shoved 2 of the last five hands. (A9 and JJ fwiw)

10 handed. After the last two shoves i have about 14BB. i'm UTG+1.
UTG folds. Then the four players behind me fold out of turn. Dealer stops action. I look down at QdJh and shove again as i just have to fade the CO, Button and two blinds. Is this bad? my logic is that if we were 5 handed at the final table and i'm UTG+1 i think i'm shipping there. can't see open folding. and is raising and folding to a 3-bet a viable strategy here?

I would have shoved here. Also, if I was the floor/TD, I would have ruled your hand dead for letting 4 players act behind you (unless all 4 folds were turbo mucks).

I didn't LET anything happen. They saw UTG fold and just chain reaction folded, skipping me. dealer hadnt even finished dealing yet. FWIW, i act rather quickly esp in early position.

EDIT: i'm very calm at the table and quite jovial compared to some, but i would flip my **** if i got a penalty there.

I shove. you don't have 14bb, you have M=5.2 [checking my "pushbot chart", QJo is only a shove against 4 "tight" callers. Against "average" callers, it's only a shove at m<3.2]

before shoving, act frustrated that half the table folded already.

+1 for meta LOLz

I would make it 1500 to go, especially if the table has really tightened up with the blinds getting bigger, like it seems that it has. I would be hoping for folds around, or the BB to call. I would then be looking to Cbet the flop on anything checked to me, or shoving if I connect.


my reasoning:

-Anybody waking up with a hand will be looking to shove, and you can sidestep that bullet.
-it makes you look stronger than you actually are, as you just shoved twice, now you are looking for a little action.
-you have a hand that is easily dominated by short stacks looking to go all in.
-you have enough chips if you lose 3000 to continue your mode of operation afterwards (shoving) (preflop + cbet = 3000)

My own pushbot chart (which ignores any sort of bubble/ICM effects) says QJs with your chips is a shove from the HJ, but I hate it. All sorts of calling hands have you locked up (AQ, JJ+, AJ or KQ -- weak calls though but I've seen many worse in larger than $55 tournaments) while the only calling hands that you would conceivably see (TT-) are only slightly ahead.

Technically three folds after you can make your hand killable, but most TDs would take into account the amount of time you had to protect your action as the cascade of folds occurred. But technically is technically.

As far as taking advantage of this information (assuming you were given the opportunity to play your cards), you've got free reign. I'd (figuratively) hold my nose and (literally) shove as well. But my expectations for good things would be low.

Thanks for the replies. I had zero time to act. As I said dealer wasn't even finished dealing sb and Bb yet. Any who, of course the button moves all in for less and bb wakes up with AK and holds. Gg.

rescued - When do the payouts start?
Our M is just over 5 and you want to raise pre-, cbet, and then maybe fold? Leaving you with an M of 3? I don't think I like that.

I'm guessing payouts start at about 5. There's a long way to go, we need chips.

Depending on table dynamics I probably fold here if I think the table is annoyed with me shoving twice - someone will end up calling with K-8. If everyone is nitting it up looking to get in the money, I shove again. If someone calls with a better hand so be it. I'm not looking to hang on, I'm looking to win.

Good point. There are still 20 players left. We need chips here. But I do like your look at the Meta of being over active recently. One guy said something but couldn't find a call with his napkins. He was a mouthy **** anyway.

Your choice, fold or shove, but whatever you do, do not follow the above advice for any reason whatsoever.

Shove. Shove. Shove. All day. Every day. If you get called by AK so be it. You're not a huge dog and the opportunity to double up here is worth it.