(Raked) Club Game Containment Thread

[Rottersod]

Gross. Friends don't rake friends.

[onecardpoker]

Cap rake at $4. Forget the ****ty jackpot/high hand bonus. House collection is cut in half.

[Hoss1193]

Well, I guess it's "fair" in the sense that the terms are known to all players and no one is forced to play. It's voluntary.

But yeah, it's probably not sustainable. Assuming it's a typical homegame player pool, simply not going to have the continuous turnover and fresh money entering the game. He's charging a casino-like rake without a casino-like clientele. Ain't gonna work longterm.

I'd drop the rake to maybe $1 or $2 max per pot (keeping the $20 threshold). I'd also ditch the BBJ unless the majority of players really like it. If the BBJ is kept, drop the house take to 5%. (I wouldn't necessarily do away with it altogether...the host IS assuming some administrative burden - and risk - by maintaining that money in the house. Something I'd think twice about if I was him).

A couple of other questions/comments:

Is host's intent for the rake simply to recoup what he spent on the gear? Or does he really intend to make money off this game as a going concern? If the former (just recouping), then a formal statement that "The rake will stop when house has collected X amount" might be considered.

Ok...1300 for the table, another, say 1.2K for chairs. I'll assume that he spent up to 1K for a really nice chipset. That gets us up to 3500ish...where's the rest of the 6k that host "invested"? Seeding the BBJ?

I'll also mention; even if host's intent is just to recoup what he spent on table, chairs, chips, etc...once rake has made up for that expenditure, it's not as if the gear is now "community property"; it's STILL his. He can take it with him if he moves, can sell it if the game ends, etc. So using the rake to recoup the full amount is still pretty sketchy.

Final obligatory comment: the fact that host is raking at all moves this game out of the "home game" category, and into the "probably illegal underground game" realm. And I also agree with Rotter; the term "friend" here becomes rather loose. That alone should make anybody think twice about playing in this game.

And also means this thread should probably be moved into the underground containment thread as well.

[Hoss1193]

No kidding. As I was reading 1st paragraph, I was thinking "welcome to home poker...just the way it is. Live with it."

Then I see "raked" and think "well, WTF then?"

[lanyi]

Originally Posted by avaholic

A rake at a self dealt game? What are they raking for?

+1

I have to pay rake AND deal?!?

[mariettabull]

What are you getting in exchange for the rake? That's one of the things I look at when going to a raked game. You're essentially paying for a service with the rake, and it's up to you if it's worth it. If it's not, there is always the option Aidan suggested.

[Iamcloud]

In the club games they offer free drinks.

Are these numbers normal?

No one seems to even mind. And I don't want to be an ******* trying to educate the fish at the tables about the importance of rake. Playing 10+ hours, they pay 400+ on average per player to rake. That is ****load of money..

I am texting people around to potentially start a home game but I pretty much only hang out with good players. If I were to host a game, how can I attract fish?

[eneely]

Discussions about raked games belong in this sticky thread. I have merged the two threads about raked games into this thread. Some of the responses are confusing, because they were not quoted.

[njpoker]

with a rake of 10% capped at $10. It's been very tough to get players to show up to play. even with all the bonuses like:

- Win a pot with 7-2 get $10 from the house
- Crack a pocket pair of Aces get $25
- Bring new player $20
- 1st Quads $25
- get Straight Flush $50
- get Royal Flush $100

on average, the house shells out about $200 - $300 back to players in bonuses wich represents 2-3 hours of work pretty much. Not counting expenses like: food, soft drinks and beer which are provided to players all night long at no additional cost.

I'm looking to change the bonus structure to make it more profitable. Any ideas? any help is appreciated.

Thanks

[eneely]

Originally Posted by njpoker

with a rake of 10% capped at $10. It's been very tough to get players to show up to play. even with all the bonuses like:

- Win a pot with 7-2 get $10 from the house
- Crack a pocket pair of Aces get $25
- Bring new player $20
- 1st Quads $25
- get Straight Flush $50
- get Royal Flush $100

on average, the house shells out about $200 - $300 back to players in bonuses wich represents 2-3 hours of work pretty much. Not counting expenses like: food, soft drinks and beer which are provided to players all night long at no additional cost.

I'm looking to change the bonus structure to make it more profitable. Any ideas? any help is appreciated.

Thanks

Does the 200-300 include food and drinks? I don't see how you could pay out this much per night in bonuses, given what you list above. Could you break it down?

[BrickHouse]

Originally Posted by mariettabull

What are you getting in exchange for the rake? That's one of the things I look at when going to a raked game. You're essentially paying for a service with the rake, and it's up to you if it's worth it. If it's not, there is always the option Aidan suggested.

Good question. It's not an actual home game. It's a bar/backroom game. Still they provide no food or drinks. No girls. No dealers. Why the **** do we pay rake?

[dugthefish]

Originally Posted by njpoker

with a rake of 10% capped at $10. It's been very tough to get players to show up to play.

Ummm, how's about lowering the rake?

Originally Posted by njpoker

on average, the house shells out about $200 - $300 back to players in bonuses wich represents 2-3 hours of work pretty much. Not counting expenses like: food, soft drinks and beer which are provided to players all night long at no additional cost.

I'm looking to change the bonus structure to make it more profitable. Any ideas? any help is appreciated.

Thanks

More profitable for you, I assume? How about getting rid of all the bonuses, and lowering the rake to a reasonable $4-5 max? Less rake per hand = more players playing and playing longer = more total rake generated. Or how about losing the rake completely, learning how to play poker, and winning the money?

I LOL everytime some wannabe Teddy KGB posts about how they have trouble getting players when they rape said players for $10+ per pot

[dugthefish]

Originally Posted by BrickHouse

Good question. It's not an actual home game. It's a bar/backroom game. Still they provide no food or drinks. No girls. No dealers. Why the **** do we pay rake?

That is a good question.

[dugthefish]

Originally Posted by Iamcloud

I am texting people around to potentially start a home game but I pretty much only hang out with good players. If I were to host a game, how can I attract fish?

Get a few players to commit, then send them out to the various club games, where they can play, bitch quietly about the high rake to their neighbors (especially the fishy one's), and spread the word that they've heard of a new, low-rake/rake-free game in the area.

[dugthefish]

Originally Posted by Iamcloud

If anyone has a rake free game in Holland please invite me lol.

Have you tried PokerDIY?