(Raked) Club Game Containment Thread

[eneely]

This thread is to give a venue for discussions about club games where a fee or rake is charged, or games with some specific membership requirement, but which are not true B&M card rooms.

Feel free to explore Topics here that do not apply to true home games.

All games discussed here are assumed to be legal in the area they are located in.

NOTE: Do not advertise your game here. Advertisements are only allowed in the Home Game Listings sub-forum. Any post with even a whiff of an advertisement will be deleted, and the poster subject to an infraction or banning.

[dugthefish]

Furst!

Spoiler:

not that i play in, or even know of, any games this thread will apply to

[BodogPlayer30]

I play in a club 1/2 NL with uncapped rake at 10%... lots of fish. the club gives you a 10% bonus on your buyin with 2 hour min play. I usually buyin for $400-500 and get $40-$50 bonus.

[eneely]

Originally Posted by BodogPlayer30

I play in a club 1/2 NL with uncapped rake at 10%... lots of fish. the club gives you a 10% bonus on your buyin with 2 hour min play. I usually buyin for $400-500 and get $40-$50 bonus.

Cool story bro

[jzpiano]

Great start to this thread....

[Lottery Larry]

Originally Posted by BodogPlayer30

I play in a club 1/2 NL with uncapped rake at 10%... lots of fish..

Are there always going to BE lots of fish? Otherwise, you're going to get rakefillet'd

[eneely]

I really did not start this to take shots at those posting. I just don't understand the point of that comment.

[Precept2]

A new player to our game Saturday night asked me if I ever thought of raking. I, immediately, scoffed at the idea, because I'm not looking to host anything illegal.

Then I thought about it a bit more. I felt dirty.

[blobbloblob]

There is a new 1/2 game that just started up and they are doing something I've never heard of a house game ever doing. Instead of doing a normal rake of 5-10% uncapped they are just cutting 20% of all cashouts. I play live cash for my general income and most of the games I go to are 10% rake. Is a 20% cut worse than a 10% rake or is it better?

With rake everyone is bashing all night and money is taken off the table constantly while with a 20% cut nothing is taken off the table accept for a High Hand(which is put back on the table every hour).

Doing the math and assume there is only 1 table and exactly 10 players the entire night with 0 rebuys with the game starting at 8pm and ending at 5am. Everyone buys in for $100 = $1000 and 20% = $200 at cashout. While with a rake and lets just say the average pot is $20 and you are seeing 30 hands an hour. 30(2)x9 hours = $540 in rake. So is a cashout game technically better than rake? Or would you rather walk out with your money after rake?

However lets look at a more personal view if you build up from $100 to $250 20% is $50. As if you were to just Win a $250 pot and leave immediately after you would only lose $25 to rake. However I don't leave games immediately because I try and have a good time while I make my money.

I guess rake might be better because it entices people to rebuy which kind of puts more money on the table.

Thoughts?

[Aidan]

My thoughts are it probably should have gone in the club game containment thread. Based on your previous experience though it should be fairly easy for you to work out if it is still profitable to play in such a game.

[bluegarage]

Originally Posted by BodogPlayer30

I play in a club 1/2 NL with uncapped rake at 10%... lots of fish. the club gives you a 10% bonus on your buyin with 2 hour min play. I usually buyin for $400-500 and get $40-$50 bonus.

An uncapped game is unbeatable. No matter how many fish are in it. Find a underground or "club" game with a more attractive rake structure. That is a very high rake. I'm not bashing the idea of a rake or the host making money but when I hear of a 10% uncapped rake! Hell most casinos are not even allowed to take that kind of money out of the game!

[lanyi]

Originally Posted by blobbloblob

There is a new 1/2 game that just started up and they are doing something I've never heard of a house game ever doing. Instead of doing a normal rake of 5-10% uncapped they are just cutting 20% of all cashouts. I play live cash for my general income and most of the games I go to are 10% rake. Is a 20% cut worse than a 10% rake or is it better?

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[eneely]

Originally Posted by Aidan

My thoughts are it probably should have gone in the club game containment thread.

You are right, and it is done.

[Schmendr1ck]

Originally Posted by blobbloblob

Doing the math and assume there is only 1 table and exactly 10 players the entire night with 0 rebuys with the game starting at 8pm and ending at 5am. Everyone buys in for $100 = $1000 and 20% = $200 at cashout. While with a rake and lets just say the average pot is $20 and you are seeing 30 hands an hour. 30(2)x9 hours = $540 in rake. So is a cashout game technically better than rake? Or would you rather walk out with your money after rake?

It's highly unlikely (I'd say impossible) that 10 players will buy in for 50bb each and play for 9 hours with no rebuys, so IMO the 20% cashout rake is going to be a lot more than $200.

OTOH, the average pot in the casino 1/2NL that I've played is higher than $20. With a 10% rake capped at $5 on a 9-handed table, I'd estimate that at least $100 per hour comes off even the tightest tables. It'll be worse with uncapped rake.

So I agree with your conclusion: a 20% cashout rake leaves a lot more money on the table. But I think your rake estimates for both options are very low, or you play in an ubernitty 1/2 game.

[eneely]

I would hate to be down for the night, and pay the 20% vig. That would hurt.